Module talk:zh-usex

Moved useful stuff from Template talk:zh-usex, Template talk:zh-x, Module talk:zh-usex/data

Request for help

@Wyang could you help me please with this silliness? I just need a very basic template, no ruby, no auto-translit. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Seems to be working, no? Wyang (talk) 04:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It's working now. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It's very simple. I don't know if anything can be done with it. A little bit less typing that's all. And it would be easier to find all Chinese usage examples, e.g. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:cmn-usex if all {{usex|lang=cmn}} used it. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:25, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

What about 'trad and simp' titled entries? I think it might be good to have another parameter, in case it is 'ts' (eg. 或). Here is all the entries using Mandarin usex template:

化身 困扰 困擾 处于 大体 大體 寻求 尋求 想起 成千上万 成千上萬 推出 日后 日後 書桌 来自 极为 極為 派对 浓厚 濃厚 热门 熱門 用來 用来 盲目 窗台 窗臺 罗宋 羅宋 而是 處於 行銷 行销 談到 谈到

Entries which use non-templated examples (possibly):

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Done:

超常 凹凸有致 打字 首先 改天 三令五申 歌手 段落 打哈哈 可是 不好意思 行不改名，坐不改姓 生日 自足 或 晦暗 男女 打瞌睡 一席之地 下手 一方面 一方面 不会 不再 不懂 不會 之外 书桌 以免 传达 來自 促使 傳達 出息 一...也... 一...就... 一下 一五一十 一代 一家大小 一旁 一无是处 一点儿 一無是處 一生受用不尽 一生受用不盡

Wyang (talk) 04:39, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Ouch. I'm overwhelmed. Yes, trad/simp might be useful. How hard would it be to convert those to a more standardised method? Only manually?

Are you interested in becoming an admin? Then you can delete, protect/unprotect stuff yourself, work with more modules and templates. I'll need to check again how to nominate. There are some requirements, though - allow e-mail contacts (AFAIK), state languages you know, time zone and do admin work occasionally - delete bullshit, block vandals. I reckon you're very good candidate, intelligent and polite, a good programmer with good language skills but a bit too sensitive though :) Let me know, I'll go ahead then with your nomination. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Here's the vote page Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2014-05/User:Wyang for admin, which is not active yet. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:53, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

A lot of these lack proper forms (both forms for some entries), some lack Pinyin, and some have additional lines for references. The best I could do would be semi-automated.

Regarding the second - I'd love to (although I've made some 'enemies' along the way too). Then I won't have to make you delete tens of my userpages... :) Wyang (talk) 05:03, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, re: usex - I'll put it on my to do list (gradually and some of them).

I don't think you have real enemies, there are some snappy people, no need to mention who, I don't know who you mean. It may be to do with your oversensitivity? I've been around here a long time, enemies turn allies and vice versa, depends on situations and current needs. One possible flaw people may find when voting for you is you have to respect policies and vote results, don't criticize Wiktionary too much, you are part of it. :) It's OK if you don't know what I mean.--Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Ruby

@Wyang Thanks for this template, looking forward to using it. do you think ruby is necessary for Chinese? In Japanese there is a romaji line, so furigana helps with individual kanji readings. Also, is there a place for Zhuyin there (is it appropriate)? Just asking. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

@Atitarev I have done a crude version of this usex module, which uses ruby for readings of individual characters. Please see Template:zh-usex, 一席之地. Wyang (talk) 04:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much! The display on my system is screwed somewhat, though. Currently using Mozilla Firefox 28.0 on Windows 7. In 一席之地 pinyin appears partially at the back of Han characters, not on top of them. In IE 8, it's better but there are a bit too large spaces between character. The implementation probably depends on the browser? The module seems very complicated to me. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Does the ruby in Chinese grammar work in Mozilla Firefox 28.0? I use Chrome and the alignment seems all right. There is one space between words, not sure if that is the large spaces you mentioned. Wyang (talk) 04:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks bad in Mozilla but OK in IE 8. Japanese ruby looks good in both browsers, though. I would personally be happy with non-ruby zh-usex, which caters for trad, simp and pinyin. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Haplology would possibly be able to help I think but I'm not sure if he's available and interested. He's built {{ja-usex}}. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:45, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Better now in Mozilla, perhaps? I have removed all the formatting bits. Wyang (talk) 04:52, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Still bad. Mozilla: pinyin appears at the bottom, partially hidden (there are visible spaces between Hanzi). IE: spaces between Hanzi are wide, pinyin is above and not hidden but there are no spaces. The Chinese text is unnaturally stretched. I'm curious, though, what other (Chinese) editors think about ruby for Chinese, if you get it to work as expected? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:32, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

唯有

An error occurs here. Sorry, if you're in the middle of changing the module. I just thought I need to move it from {{cmn-usex}}.

我現在的住所唯有高山，不見大海。 [MSC, trad.]
我现在的住所唯有高山，不见大海。 [MSC, simp.]

Wǒ xiànzài de zhùsuǒ wéiyǒu gāoshān, bù jiàn dàhǎi. [Pinyin]

Where I live now there is no sea, but only high mountains.

--Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

OK... I have also added the non-ruby version. Please see Template:zh-usex.

Regarding weiyou, it should be:

# [[only]]
#: {{zh-usex|我 現在 的 住所 '''唯有''' 高山，不 見 大海。|Where I live now there is no sea, but only high mountains.}}

1. only

   我現在的住所唯有高山，不見大海。 [MSC, trad.]
   我现在的住所唯有高山，不见大海。 [MSC, simp.]

   Wǒ xiànzài de zhùsuǒ wéiyǒu gāoshān, bù jiàn dàhǎi. [Pinyin]

   Where I live now there is no sea, but only high mountains.

Wyang (talk) 05:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. It probably shouldn't give errors but no spaces. Are you able to add manual capitalisation for ^. zhōngguó huò rìběn looks a bit weird to me in 或#Mandarin. :) --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:02, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Q. What should happen if pinyin is incorrectly generated? It's quite possible in cases, since Module:zh may not cater for all or give the right pinyin.

1. 聽音樂／听音乐  ―  tīng yīnyuè  ―  listen to music

   生日快樂／生日快乐  ―  shēngrì kuàilè  ―  happy birthday

It shouldn't fail on single words or phrases without spaces, IMHO. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:10, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

The fails for weiyou and the two examples above are due to the simplified script used in the input. Please use the traditional version, so that traditional->simplified conversion can be done reasonably reliably. You can specify Pinyin through {}, please see example of 不好意思 in Template:zh-usex. Capitalisation added now. Wyang (talk) 06:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:19, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Capitalisation is lost

@Wyang Capitalisation is lost 東西, 东西 --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Wyang (talk) 07:31, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@電視/电视 it's still not working. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Capitalisation only works if the text contains the punctuation marks '。！？' (indicating complete sentences). Wyang (talk) 07:46, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I forgot to check. Thank you for fixing. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 08:15, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Only traditional version on trad./simp. entry

Unlike here, in 拼音 你學過拼音嗎？／你学过拼音吗？  ―  Nǐ xué guò pīnyīn ma?  ―  Have you learned Pinyin? currently only produces traditional, no simplified version. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад)

Is it OK to ping you? @Wyang. Just making sure you receive my question, Frank, no pressure, though. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:15, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Fixed now. Wyang (talk) 06:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

What's the code for Min Nan?

@Wyang Cantonese has "C-GZ". What's the code for Min Nan? Will it handle mix script correctly, e.g. may need some spaces around romanised words:

無仝ê新聞台，竟然lóng報導差不多仝款ê新聞內容，che有影是不可思議ê現象。 [Hokkien, trad.]
无仝ê新闻台，竟然lóng报导差不多仝款ê新闻内容，che有影是不可思议ê现象。 [Hokkien, simp.]

From: 2005: anon., M̄-nā 無路用, 更加是阻礙!! (blog rant about poor news coverage: Not only is it not useful, it is a hinderance!)

bô-kâng ê sin-bûn-tâi, kéng-jiân lóng pò-tō chha-put-to kâng-khóan ê sin-bûn lāi-iông, che ū-iáⁿ sī put-khó-su-gī ê hiān-siōng. [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]

Even for different newstations, they still all report almost the same news content. This is really an incomprehensible phenomenon.

The usex is from put-khó-su-gī but I was going to use it on hanzi entries. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:51, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

The code is 'MN' or 'TW'. Spaces enabled (please see the above example). Wyang (talk) 01:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Great, thank you. Actually, it was a citation, not a usex, so I can't usex template but I will use somewhere else. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:54, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I think {{usex}} can be used for citations as well, isn't it? For this template, you can use |ref= for references. Wyang (talk) 01:59, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Citations are normally hidden, although some people prefer to hide usexes as well, especially if they are many. Citations are also too strict and people don't any slight changes to them, even normalisations that use more modern glyphs, stuff like ruby is also not allowed. I'm normally staying away from them. Feel free to edit yourself, if you wish, though. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:23, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Wu

Please check translit. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:42, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Is this the Shanghainese dialect? If so, then it is an example of using Mandarin pronunciations to write Wu. The possessive particle 額 here is not read with its Shanghainese pronunciation (ngaq), but with its Mandarin pronunciation (e). Its transcription is "xxia xxia non eq li veq" (IPA: /ʑ̻iᴀ²² (ʑ̻)iᴀ⁴⁴ nʊ̆ŋ²² (g̊)ə̆ʔ⁴⁴ li²² v̻ə̆ʔ⁴⁴/, although I would probably drop romanisation for Wu as the actual pronunciation cannot be reproduced from this toneless romanisation. Wyang (talk) 12:11, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the translit. I was just using the sound replacement you described at Wiktionary:About Chinese/Wu and 額 was only given as "ngaq". I'd prefer toneless romanisation to nothing, like Lao. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 12:19, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

著/着 conversion

@Wyang It's not working again on trad./simp. conversion. I don't remember where that discussion was but here's an example, see 除了……以外:

彼款的光景是除了春天以外，其他的時陣所看未著。 [Hokkien, trad.]
彼款的光景是除了春天以外，其他的时阵所看未着。 [Hokkien, simp.]

Hit-khóan ê kong-kéng sī tû-liáu chhun-thiⁿ í-gōa, kî-thaⁿ ê sî-chūn só· khòaⁿ bē tio̍h [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]

Except for spring, that kind of scene is something that cannot be seen at other times.

--Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. There needs to be a rewrite of the module... The initial logic I set down isn't the most efficient possible. Wyang (talk) 07:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

@kc_kennylau

We should rewrite this, combine ruby and plain, and combine MSC and others, so that the tricks work for other modes as well. Wyang (talk) 07:50, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, the transliterations of the other dialects aren't automatic, so... --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:19, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Trad./simpl. conversion didn't work

@Wyang The usage examples didn't convert to simplified on 它 and the page is reported as simplified. I think because it thinks it's simplified and traditional is 牠. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:12, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

攻擊力

@Kc kennylau or @Wyang could you fix this example, please:

攻擊力 [MSC, trad.]
攻击力 [MSC, simp.]

gōngjīlì [Pinyin]

firepower

--Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 09:22, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Temporarily reverted Wyang's edit to Module:zh-usex. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Linking to a different entry than the display doesn't work with ellipsis

See 放心 —umbreon126 03:33, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Wyang could you help, please? BTW, I have renamed an entry to 包在……身上. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:59, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Used a compromise solution for now. The pagetitle contains punctuation which will automatically be interpreted as word boundaries. Wyang (talk) 09:56, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Very good, thanks a lot :) --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 10:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Bug report

On 用不著, {{zh-usex|用不著[着]{zháo} 這麼 誇張 吧！|There's no need to '''exaggerate''' it so!}} (without enclosing 用不著 in the bold tag) results in

用不著這麼誇張吧！ [MSC, trad.]

用不著</b着这么夸张吧！ [MSC, simp.]

Yòngbùzhù</bzháo zhème kuāzhāng ba! [Pinyin]

There's no need to exaggerate it so!

{zháo} seems to be related to the problem, because 用不著[着] (without overriding the pronunciation) produces equally ugly results. —umbreon126 05:44, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Fixed for now. It should be much more intelligent than it is now - it needs to grab the article 用不著 and know from there what the simp and pinyin are! Wyang (talk) 06:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Awesome :) Thanks for the quick fix! —umbreon126 06:19, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Apostrophe

@Wyang Hi Frank. The module stopped inserting apostrophes when needed. E.g:

It should be "nán'ér". --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:55, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay Anatoli - fixed now. Wyang (talk) 00:36, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Traditional to simplified conversion

The template did not automatically add the simplified version for this:

你欲佮我去圖書館無？ [Hokkien, trad.]
你欲佮我去图书馆无？ [Hokkien, simp.]

Lí beh kah góa khì tô͘-su-koán bô? [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]

Do you want to go to the library with me?

It only worked when I put [无] after 無:

你欲佮我去圖書館無？ [Hokkien, trad.]
你欲佮我去图书馆无？ [Hokkien, simp.]

Lí beh kah góa khì tô͘-su-koán bô? [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]

Do you want to go to the library with me?

Justinrleung (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. Wyang (talk) 00:29, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

一領衫／一领衫 [Hokkien]  ―  chi̍t niá saⁿ [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  a shirt
我有兩頭豬。／我有两头猪。  ―  Wǒ yǒu liǎng tóu zhū.  ―  I have two pigs.
And the entirety of 欲. Did a recent edit change something? —suzukaze (t・c) 07:00, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

@kc_kennylau This may be related to the recent changes to simp_word. Could you please take a look? Also at 實施. Thanks, Wyang (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

@Kc kennylau, Wyang Also at 東道主. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 15:32, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I think I have fixed it. Wyang (talk) 23:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Commas

See 失之東隅，收之桑榆, where 失之東隅，收之桑榆 becomes 失之東隅，收之桑榆. Also 大魚吃小魚，小魚吃蝦米 (大魚吃小魚，小魚吃蝦米) —suzukaze (t・c) 00:52, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Hyphens in Pinyin

Is it possible to add hyphens in pinyin with this template?

For example, the pinyin of 為非作歹／为非作歹  ―  wéifēi zuòdǎi  ―  to do evil should be wéifēi-zuòdǎi according to orthography rules. Justinrleung (talk) 06:55, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

@Justinrleung Maybe manual transliteration: 為非作歹／为非作歹  ―  wéifēi-zuòdǎi  ―  to do evil —suzukaze (t・c) 09:31, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Hakka

Can Hakka (and perhaps all other lects that are not yet included in this template) be added? (See 仔.) Justinrleung (talk) 18:38, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Just added Hakka. Justinrleung (talk) 18:54, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Problems on "·‎"

There are a lot of problems at ·‎ under the Chinese section. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 22:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

@Wyang, Kc kennylau? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:14, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Done. --kc_kennylau (talk) 03:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Min Nan "Hàn-Lô" text

Is it possible to make the template handle Hàn-Lô text (mixed Han and POJ text)? Something like "林教授先去點菜，in細漢kiáⁿ teh讀國校仔2年á niā-niā,iah tòe去看。" (from Chio̍h-pan kap 10 pan) is particular a problem with the need for spaces and hyphens in the displayed text. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 01:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Disgusting, hacky solutions for Hàn-lô  ―  Disgusting, hacky solutions for Hàn-lô  ― 
I think it's more worthwhile to just use normal {{ux}}. The spaces used for word separation will probably interfere greatly. (Would preservation of spaces between two Latin-script items be sufficient?...) —suzukaze (t・c) 04:28, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, we only need spaces between two Latin script words, and hyphens need to be kept. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 13:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Problems with Min Nan m̄

There's something wrong with the automated POJ. The m̄ is not followed by a hyphen.

• 毋免 [Hokkien]  ―  m̄-bián [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  (please add an English translation of this usage example)
• 毋是 [Hokkien]  ―  m̄-sī [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  (please add an English translation of this usage example)
• 毋捌 [Hokkien]  ―  m̄-bat [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  (please add an English translation of this usage example)

— justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Please ping me next time. Fixed. --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:25, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Problem with Min Nan hyphenation

@Kc kennylau When only part of a "word" is bolded, the hyphens around the bolded part doesn't appear. E.g.:

門跤口／门跤口 [Hokkien]  ―  mn̂g-kha-kháu [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  doorway

門跤口／门跤口 [Hokkien]  ―  mn̂g-kha-kháu [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  doorway

門跤口／门跤口 [Hokkien]  ―  mn̂g-kha-kháu [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  doorway

— justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:17, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Fixed. --kc_kennylau (talk) 02:30, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:08, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Kc kennylau What happened here? It's not working again. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:04, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@Kc kennylau Another problem: there's no hyphen here - 廈門／厦门 [Hokkien]  ―  Ē-mn̂g [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  Xiamen — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:27, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Fixed. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@Kc kennylau 夏娃 has a excess hyphen in front of "Hā-oa". —suzukaze (t・c) 03:03, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

乾/干

@Wyang, Kc kennylau The simplified for 乾 gān is 干, but that of 乾 qián is 乾. In 乾, one of the examples is 乾道, which should have 乾道 as its simplified form. However,

{{zh-x|乾[乾]道|ways of heaven; natural law}}

gives

[[乾[乾]道|乾[乾]道]] / [[干[干]道|干[干]道]]  ―  qiándào  ―  ways of heaven; natural law

Is there another way to do this?

— justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Test:

乾道  ―  qiándào  ―  ways of heaven; natural law

— This unsigned comment was added by Wyang (talk • contribs).

Second test:

乾道  ―  qiándào  ―  ways of heaven; natural law

乾道  ―  qiándào  ―  ways of heaven; natural law

[[乾[乾]道#Chinese|乾[乾]道]]  ―  qián[qián]dào  ―  ways of heaven; natural law

I think it has to do with automatic bold based on the page name.

—suzukaze (t・c) 03:46, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it is due to the boldify function and simp detection downstream of that. Fixed now. Wyang (talk) 04:14, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

@Wyang: I just fixed it in like 3 minutes ago... how are you so fast? --kc_kennylau (talk) 04:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

;) Wyang (talk) 04:21, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

@Wyang: Oops, we had an edit conflict. @Justinrleung --kc_kennylau (talk) 04:18, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

@Kc kennylau, Wyang Thanks! — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:23, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

the hyphen that joins pinyin while keeping page links separate

is not working right at 條. @Kc kennylau —suzukaze (t・c) 06:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

跑出去 - alt linking or remove certain spaces

@Wyang, Justinrleung, Suzukaze-c Hi, I d' like to remove spaces in pinyin for 跑出去 (pǎochūqù), which may be an SoP, so no need to have a red link or maybe use a space in the example, e.g. "跑 出去" but force it to display "pǎochūqù" without a space? Or should I just use 跑 出去 and let it display "pǎo chūqù"? What's possible here?

This is the usage example:

他一得空便跑出去玩。 [MSC, trad. and simp.]

Tā yī dékōng biàn pǎochūqù wán. [Pinyin]

As soon as gets free, he (then) runs out to play.

--Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

You can use:

他一得空便跑出去玩。 [MSC, trad. and simp.]

Tā yī dékòng biàn pǎochūqù wán. [Pinyin]

As soon as gets free, he (then) runs out to play.

Wyang (talk) 07:06, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

@Wyang Thank you and for {kòng}! --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:40, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

collapsed

@Wyang, Suzukaze-c, is there a way to change the toggle label after it's expanded? It should say "show less" after expanding. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 22:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Suzukaze-c is probably more qualified than me... I changed the text to "Expand/Hide" for now. (An example entry is 孫の手 for reference.) Wyang (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Missing apostrophe

@Wyang, Justinrleung: Guys, 俄而  ―  é'ér  ―  after a while; presently needs an apostrophe (é'ér) in 俄. It shows here, though but not in the entry for some reason (俄而 ― éér ― after a while; presently). I think it's to do with bolding. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 13:18, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

@Atitarev: It should be fixed (diff), but it's probably not the best way to fix it. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 15:22, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

@Justinrleung 陳塸／陈𫭟  ―  Chén'ōu  ―  the name of a place in Shanxi needs an apostrophe (Chén'ōu) in 塸. It shows here, but not in the entry for some reason (陳塸 / 陈𫭟 ― Chénōu). I think this also has something to do with bolding. --2600:1:B12C:C840:7013:CE3:41B6:51EE 06:09, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@2600:1:B12C:C840:7013:CE3:41B6:51EE: Thanks, this should be fixed (diff). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:23, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

@Justinrleung Now there is another problem. 𥔲嘉  ―  Èjiā  ―  the name of a place in Yunnan does not need an apostrophe (Èjiā) in 𥔲. It does not show here, but does in the entry for some reason (𥔲嘉 ― 'èjiā). --2600:1:B102:4705:60A7:CB97:9DDA:3E6A 08:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

@2600:1:B102:4705:60A7:CB97:9DDA:3E6A: Thanks again, I hope it's all fixed now. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 16:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

misnested tags

In Module:zh-usex, there is a section

		tag = " <ruby><rb><big>" ..
				tag_start .. variety_data[1] .. 
					(simp_exist
						and ", ''[[Traditional Chinese|trad.]]''↑ + ''[[Simplified Chinese|simp.]]''↓"
						or ", ''[[Traditional Chinese|trad.]]'' and ''[[Simplified Chinese|simp.]]''") .. tag_end .. 
				
				tag_start .. "''rom.'': " .. variety_data[3] .. tag_end ..
					"</rb></big></ruby>"

and it would appear that (to avoid misnested tags lint errors) the opening HTML tags

<ruby><rb><big>

should be closed with

</big></rb></ruby>

rather than

</rb></big></ruby>

as it is now. However, the edit tab doesn't give access to this section and I don't know how to do it, so I leave it for others to fix. —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

@Anomalocaris It should be fixed now. Wyang (talk) 21:47, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Wyang: Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:16, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

已經 in Min Nan

@Justinrleung the common pronounciation of 已經 in Hokkien is í-keng, not í-keⁿ. and the data in Module:zh/data/nan-pron/004 is "í-keng". Why template:zh-x use í-keⁿ as the default pronounciation of 已經? I suggested the pronounciation data should be modified. PS. I want to know the citation or the source of the pronounciation "í-keⁿ"--17:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

@Yoxem: It produces í-keⁿ based on the pronunciations of the individual characters, not for the word. We probably have to change the logic of the code, but for now, you can use 已經{keng} to fix any errors in the automatic romanization. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:18, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Linking to Chinese section

@Wyang or @Justinrleung Hi, I just noticed that individual words are not linked to the Chinese section. Would someone mind fixing this? Thanks. KevinUp (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, if the main character/compound is linked to another longer compound (i.e. not broken up), the main character/compound is no longer black or bold. This might be a bit harder to fix. KevinUp (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Ping also @Suzukaze-c for additional help in case no one responds because this is a non-essential task. KevinUp (talk) 16:51, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Update: Individual words now link to the Chinese section. However it doesn't work if the page title, e.g. 水 (shuǐ) is quoted as part of another compound such as 口水 (kǒushuǐ) that is not spaced out. Anyone knows how to fix this? KevinUp (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@KevinUp: Your edit would only work for most cases, not all cases. I can't fix it today, but I can deal with it later if the other editors haven't already gone around doing it. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 00:35, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I just realized Chinese is most certainly the first header of a compound lemma, so it's not an issue really. Single character lemmas start with "Translingual", which is why I wanted to link it to the Chinese section. KevinUp (talk) 00:40, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Erutuon Thanks for editing the module. Linking to Chinese section is now working. KevinUp (talk) 06:30, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Loss of bolding when using Hans, Hant

@Wyang: About the bolding issue in the version before this revert: it relates to this rule in MediaWiki:Common.css (permalink):

.Hani, .Hani * :not(:lang(vi)),
.Hans, .Hans *,
.Hant, .Hant * {
	font-style: normal;
	font-weight: normal;
}

For Hani, but not for Hans and Hant, the rule above is overridden by one lower down on the page:

b, strong { 
	font-weight: bold;
}

I don't get why this is happening because classes (.Hani) have higher precedence than tag names (b), so the first rule should overrule the second no matter the class name. But in any case it's the CSS that's the problem, not the code in this module. — Eru·tuon 22:50, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, it should be fixed before the switch-over is made. Wyang (talk) 22:54, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Wyang: I think you can just remove font-weight: normal; from the first rule quoted. Then all Han characters will be emboldenable. — Eru·tuon 00:19, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done Wyang (talk) 00:27, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Doesn't work in Min Dong

I've used this template in 噇, 飽, 恰 and 閒 with a example sentence in Min Dong, like this:

噇飽恰閒。 [Eastern Min, trad.]
噇饱恰闲。 [Eastern Min, simp.]

Chòng bā kák èng. / [t͡sʰouŋ⁵³ pa³³ kʰɑʔ²⁴ ɛiŋ⁵³] [Bàng-uâ-cê / IPA]

Have nothing else to do. / Don't you have nothing else to do? / Mind your own concerns/bussiness.

But Min Dong Romanization (en:Bàng-uâ-cê) can not be shown. I don't know why and don't know how to fix it. Anyone can help me? Davidzdh (talk) 13:40, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

The "display_type" is not functioning, and neither is formatting around (en:Bàng-uâ-cê) in the "tr=" field. I've fixed it now. Michael Ly (talk) 17:03, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Bug report

In entry 恐懼, in the second citation of the verb, "易卜生" is not displaying correctly. CC:@Justinrleung, Suzukaze-c. Dokurrat (talk) 13:51, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I changed the way I deal with "易卜生" so the troubled rendering is not in the entry anymore. If anyone want to fix this issue, he or she is still welcomed though 😄... Dokurrat (talk) 13:57, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Showing a Space between the characters in a Mandarin Chinese text

(Obligate non-scriptio continua in a Mandarin Chinese example)

Most of the time, we assume that Mandarin Chinese is an unspaced scriptio continua. But there is a political slogan in Mainland China that includes an obligate space between the two halves of the six character phrase, and it appears in the original text of an example that I am adding (and elsewhere- not idiosyncratic or a typo). Is there a way to add a space between the actual characters (not just a space in the pinyin) in a zh-x? Here's the page with the example: 四十埠 (Sìshíbù). --Geographyinitiative (talk) 20:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC) (original post at [1])

A solution was found which can be seen on the page. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 01:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Cantonese trick CHAR{ROM} doesn' work

@Justinrleung, Suzukaze-c: Hi,

The Cantonese trick CHAR{ROM} doesn' work

我唔識講[[廣東話{gwong2#Chinese|廣東話{gwong2]]dung1[[waa6-2}#Chinese|waa6-2}]]。 [Guangzhou Cantonese, trad.]
我唔识讲[[广东话{gwong2#Chinese|广东话{gwong2]]dung1[[waa6-2}#Chinese|waa6-2}]]。 [Guangzhou Cantonese, simp.]

ngo⁵ m⁴ sik¹ gong² gwong² dung¹ waa^6-2 {gwong² dung¹ waa^6-2 }. [Jyutping]

I don't speak Cantonese.

Expected output is the same as:

我唔識講廣東話。 [Guangzhou Cantonese, trad.]
我唔识讲广东话。 [Guangzhou Cantonese, simp.]

ngo⁵ m⁴ sik¹ gong² gwong² dung¹ waa^6-2. [Jyutping]

I don't speak Cantonese.

--Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

@Atitarev: The brackets have always been for individual characters, no? —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 01:46, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c: A-a-h, thanks! --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:48, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Pinyin

I wonder if it is possible to temporarily disable pinyin in a MSC quotation. This would allow Cantonese editors to add MSC quotations and leave the pinyin to Mandarin-speaking editors (though in the long run I would prefer allowing MSC-C and even pinyin & jyutping in parallel, if Cantonese reading of MSC is stable enough to be included). Also, we might need to formally formulate our pinyin orthography (e.g. no space before 主義). There are cases which are not covered by the official PRC pinyin orthography.

(Notifying Kc kennylau, Atitarev, Tooironic, Jamesjiao, Meihouwang, Suzukaze-c, Justinrleung, Hongthay, Mar vin kaiser, Dokurrat, Zcreator alt, Geographyinitiative): --Dine2016 (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

It sounds sensible to me.

(regarding 1) Although, perhaps {{attention|cmn|please check}} would require the least effort (and what if Cantonese, Hokkien needs checking, etc?). —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 16:23, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Hyphens

@Dine2016 I think your recent edits are causing incorrect output for some of the Min Nan examples, like at 青 (etymology 2, sense 1.2). 青青 should be chhiⁿ-chhiⁿ, not chhiⁿ--chhiⁿ. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 17:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Really? I think it was "chhiⁿ--chhiⁿ" back in 2019.

{{zh-x|'''測試'''||TW}} → 測試／测试 [Taiwanese Hokkien]  ―  chhek-chhì [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  (please add an English translation of this usage example)

{{zh-x|'''測''''''試'''||TW}} → 測試／测试 [Taiwanese Hokkien]  ―  chhek-chhì [Pe̍h-ōe-jī]  ―  (please add an English translation of this usage example)

--Dine2016 (talk) 03:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Dine2016: You're right. Sorry for not checking carefully. @Erutuon, Suzukaze-c, any idea of how this could be fixed? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:14, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Would removal of '''''' help? (Interestingly, MediaWiki doesn't like this formatting either: 測'試'.) —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 04:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Variety categorisation

@Suzukaze-c, Justinrleung, Dine2016: Hi. Is it possible to add categorisation by the variety, so that |C= or |MN= produced Category:Cantonese terms with usage examples, Category:Min Nan terms with usage examples, etc.? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 10:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Jyutping and capitalisation

Can the capitalisation be removed for Cantonese Jyutping, please? E.g.

我住喺香港。 [Cantonese, trad. and simp.]

ngo⁵ zyu⁶ hai² hoeng¹ gong². [Jyutping]

I live in Hong Kong.

currently capitalises "Ngo5". @Justinrleung, Suzukaze-c. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 10:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done —Suzukaze-c (talk) 02:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Dating of Liezi and Guanzi

These two texts are not easy to date. Sources that support dates given in the module are

• Wei, Pei-chuan (魏培泉) (2017). 《《列子》的語言與編著年代》 (Language and Linguistics Monograph Series 59). Taipei: Institute of Linguistics, Academia Sinica.
• Phua, Chiew Pheng (2002). Dating the Chapters in Guanzi: Evidence from Historical Linguistics Perspective (Master thesis, Hong Kong University of Science and Techology, Hong Kong). Retrieved from http://repository.ust.hk/ir/Record/1783.1-4843

— This unsigned comment was added by RcAlex36 (talk • contribs) at 15:45, 13 January 2021‎.

Formatting guidelines

@RcAlex36, Justinrleung, 沈澄心 currently there are multiple styles for the reference line being used. Shall we decide on a more uniform one?

Personally I'd suggest a date-author-title style. --Frigoris (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

@Frigoris: I agree. That would be more consistent with how other templates format this information. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 19:22, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I also added a local variable (?) named circa to format the c. for date. I hope this won't break things (currently only used once).

The style I have in mind is something like this:

c. 91 BCE, Sima Qian, Records of the Grand Historian.

Alternative style, with entire date field in bold (seems to be more consistent with {{Q}}):

c. 91 BCE, Sima Qian, Records of the Grand Historian.

Personally I prefer the latter style, which I came to like when adding quotations to Sanskrit entries (for effect see सरित्#Noun, with quotations expanded)

There's also the choice of whether to include Chinese names/titles beside the English translation/transcriptions. This could lead to heavy & complicated lines though. --Frigoris (talk) 20:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

123456789 ⇒ ¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹

I made an edit to this template and Module:zh/data/yue-pron to, for Jyutping, replace the Latin digits ⟨1-9⟩ with Unicode's superscript digits ⟨¹⁻⁹⟩.

Justinrleung reverted me because I didn't discuss it.

Does the bold, revert, discuss (BRD) process not exist here? If it does, then simply not discussing a change is not enough for a revert, there should've been a substantive (i.e. not procedural) reason given. I contribute characters to Unicode, I understand the purpose of the characters ⟨¹⁻⁹⟩, it is a clear improvement to the dictionary to be using them instead so that they appear in user documents when copied. As they are part of the representation of the text, they are necessary for proper plaintext interchange. The case is not like 2nd vs. 2^nd, because both are in common use and there is no possibility of confusion of "nd" with tone marks.

I request reinstatement of both edits. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 22:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: The edit was a relatively large infrastructural edit that should not have been made without discussion. It would introduce inconsistencies since all of our Cantonese pronunciation is formatted with HTML superscripts, not with Unicode superscripts. This includes {{zh-pron}}, {{zh-usex}}, and translation templates like {{t}}. Our Jyutping entries are also at the "normal" digits (e.g. aa1). Also, the change should also not have been made to the data module, which is "raw" data. Formatting (such as converting the digits to Unicode superscripts) should be performed in modules that manipulate the data modules (e.g. MOD:yue-pron) should we do decide to switch over to Unicode superscripts. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 22:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Since the characters exist for plaintext interchange, a Unicode jargon word used to justify the encoding of a character, they are actually part of the data. It is not formatting, in Jyutping orthography there is a distinction drawn between 1 and ¹. This is one of the ways character encodings are decided; for example, see the documents which led to the encoding of numerous superscript letters like ⟨ᶜ⟩, ⟨ᶠ⟩, etc. Those characters exist because there is an orthographic distinction in IPA. This is why we have a ² and a ³ and even a ¯ but not a superscript comma, because the superscript comma is only used to write chemical names, it is not distinct in a language's orthography (that the UTC knows of). However, if you'd like to make the argument that the data remain static for legacy reasons, that's fine, but new Jyutping data should use the correct Unicode characters to clearly mark tones apart from numbers in the text. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 22:52, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: Official Jyutping documentation does not prescribe superscript for tones; in fact, it is usually written as normal digits. It is a formatting choice that we have decided on here on Wiktionary to use superscript for tones for consistency across varieties and aesthetics. Pinging @Suzukaze-c, RcAlex36, Erutuon for input here. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 23:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: That's a good reason for the reversion, thanks. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 23:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Adding Qi Fu to zh-usex/data

I would like to add the following quotation from Classical Chinese literature: 祈父、予王之爪牙。胡轉予于恤、靡所止居。(Translation by James Legge: Minister of war, We are the claws and teeth of the king. Why have you rolled us into this sorrow, So that we have no abiding place?) --Apisite (talk) 10:45, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

The "CHAR\RAHC" syntax breaks when the link contains page title

Try this code in the page 苹果:

• {{zh-x|苹果酸\西瓜|watermelon}}

It becomes this:

• [[苹果酸|西瓜]]

恨国党非蠢即坏 (talk) 16:37, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect pinyin for 著.

On the page for 考背 under an example, it says zhù as the pronunciation of 著 instead of zhe. AmberWing1352 (talk) 04:18, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Two Potential Sources Of Interest

To at least @Erminwin:

What about the two following literary works?

• 《大醫精誠》
• 《庭訓格言》

Thanks for looking into them. Apisite (talk) 03:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Apisite: Dayi jingcheng 《大醫精誠》 is a chapter 備急千金要方 Beiji qianjin yaofang "Essential Formulas Worth a Thousand in Gold for Emergencies" written by Sun Simiao & published in 652. 《庭訓格言》 (Tingxun Geyan - "Guidelines for Families") is a treatise by Qing Emperor Kangxi. Shouldn't be too hard to code for them.Erminwin (talk) 04:41, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Erminwin: Thanks, now what about Qi Fu? --Apisite (talk) 04:52, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Apisite:: It's a poem in The Classic of Poetry. Just use code 'Shijing'! Erminwin (talk) 04:54, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Dungan

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=耶提目&oldid=76846875 : Providing hanzi as the primary text doesn't seem appropriate to me, unless it's a quote from a Chinese study or something. I believe we should use {{ux|dng}} / {{quote|dng}} with Cyrillic in most cases. (pinging @物灵 as well; also; is the text on that entry a quote from an existing work? It is missing attribution.) —Fish bowl (talk) 23:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

The quote is from «Нэнэди гўҗир» (“Grandmother’s tales”) by Мащинxaeвa Фaтимa.

Also, having known your concern on scripts, is it better to create only Cyrillic entries and make soft redirection on Hanzi entries (for convenience since dialectical links are in Hanzi)? But it fails when Dungan and other Sinic languages share a word. 物灵 (talk) 03:28, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@物灵, @Fish bowl: According to my sources: краткий дунганско-русский словарь (kratkij dungansko-russkij slovarʹ), orphan in Dungan is етиму (i͡ətimu) (tones: I-I-I), not етим (i͡ətim)

Instead of hard redirects, templatised soft redirects could be used, e.g. # Cyrillic spelling of 耶提目 but I don't know if it's a good idea. Dungan is written only in Cyrillic. I agree with Fish bowl, Dungan quotes should be written in Cyrillic. Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

My Dungan–English dictionary gives both етиму (tones: I-I-II) and етим（no tone notations). But the dictionary seems not to be a formal publication.

The quote in «Нэнэди гўҗир» actually spells етим, while in «Ни бусы етиму» by Айша Мансурова, the entire book spells етиму. 物灵 (talk) 04:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Personally I think it makes sense to put borrowings such as this on a Cyrillic entry, while other Sinitic words are "unified into #Chinese". —Fish bowl (talk) 04:54, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

weird variety codes, multiple talk pages

@Theknightwho (1) Why does this module have its own nonstandard variety codes instead of just using etym languages? I see that probably some of the varieties don't map to etym languages but IMO there should be etym codes for all such varieties and then we should do a bot run to convert to the etym codes. I can help with that. (2) There are at least three talk pages for {{zh-x}}: Template talk:zh-x, Module talk:zh-usex, Module talk:zh-usex/data. IMO we should merge them into one, probably this one (Module talk:zh-usex), and redirect the other talk pages. Any objections to me doing that? Benwing2 (talk) 01:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 I honestly couldn’t tell you - it’s one of the symptoms of the Chinese modules being in their own isolated ecosystem for too long. @Justinrleung, @Kc kennylau or @沈澄心 may know more.

I agree with both of your points, though. Theknightwho (talk) 23:41, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Page title bolding/unlinking is missing from simp=y mode

example: 島歌; @Wpi, kc_kennylau —Fish bowl (talk) 00:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@Fish bowl: Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I have edited the module so that now if a "segment" (defined so that one segment has one link) matches the page title, then it is automatically bolded. However, it would be more difficult to implement the second kind of bolding that we have for usages without |simp=y, where the page title within a link also gets bolded (e.g. 乾道), so I have left that out for a later date. In any case, usages where auto bolding does not occur are tracked by Special:WhatLinksHere/Wiktionary:Tracking/zh-usex/no-bold. --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The "lit" parameter won't work

Hello,

On the page for 九霄雲外, I tried adding the literal meaning to the quote (which I then copied to 早已), like this:
{{zh-x|他 早已 把 這 事 抛 到 九霄雲外 去 了。|He had forgotten it completely.|lit=He had long since thrown it '''to the highest heavens'''.}}
but all it resulted in was the same as if there were no |lit= parameter.
What is up with this template's dunderhead behavior? 2603:3021:3A96:0:618E:8229:1840:9EC6 16:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC)