User talk:Ultimateria/Archive 2

Ēģipte

Could you explain this revert? Such village really exists. See, e.g., this map (near A13 road, at the Lithuanian border). There's also a Lutheran church in this village. [1] — Gleb Borisov 20:59, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I meant to just undo this edit because it assumes that "Ēģipte" is a common English word. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I changed it back to your first edit. Ultimateria 22:10, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting that vandalism. It was a lame friend who doesn't realize what vandalism is actually doing. Devourer09 02:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem. A friend of mine once vandalized my userpage... Ultimateria 02:46, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

smoker's cough

It's en-noun that's broken, not this entry. Fixing en-noun is the solution, or else we're gonna have to add pl={{subst:PAGENAME}}s to all the entries with no specified plural. I appreciate the effort, however. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I've never come across this before. It's really making entries with apostrophes strange: cat's pajamas, spider's web, etc. Ultimateria 17:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

bot?

Hello, what's a bot? --SixTwo 23:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

See Wiktionary:Bots. They are programs (for lack of a better word) that do the boring little jobs that no one wants to do, like formatting changes and creating verb forms. Ultimateria 23:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the info! And you're welcome, thanks for making new Catalan entries!--Morkai5 11:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

"I'm sorry"

Please see the code of I'm sorry. You may want to know that {{en-phrase}} does not support a parameter {{{head}}}, but uses {{{1}}} in its place.

In other words, the code {{en-phrase|head=I'm sorry}} does not work, but {{en-phrase|I'm sorry}} does work.

It may be a good idea to make {{en-phrase}} support a parameter named {{{head}}} for consistency with many other templates, but anyway an unnamed parameter is much more convenient once you know its existence. For comparison, other templates usually have an unnamed first parameter too, but for other purposes. (As a known example, {{en-noun|es}} specifies that the plural of a noun ends with -es). --Daniel. 09:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that. I didn't think to look up the parameters after giving up on {{{head}}} because I thought

Phrase

I'm sorry
just looks better than

Phrase

I'm sorry I'm sorry
Ultimateria 21:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki

Good afternoon. I fixed the interwiki on your user page. I hope I did it well. I am pleased to see that your interrested in Catalan. Regards-youssef 19:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Ultimateria 19:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Ultimateria/ca-infl

Do you want me to update this from the latest dump? —Ruakh_TALK 19:45, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Do you think there will be much added? Ultimateria 02:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm confused. I just generated a list, and a lot of pages that were struck out at User:Ultimateria/ca-infl are actually still using things like {{infl|ca|interjection}}. Should I be filtering these out in some way? (Previously you requested that only "noun form", "plural", "verb form", and "adjective form" be exceptions; should "interjection" and "conjunction" and "contraction" and "pronoun" and "article" and "prefix" and "suffix" be exceptions as well? Any others?) —Ruakh_TALK 16:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

That's because if you look at the original request I only asked for adjectives, nouns, and verbs (proper nouns slipped my mind) that used infl because those were the only parts of speech with their own ca- template. Well, they still are with the exception of adverbs since ca-adverb is now in use. So please filter anything but nouns, adjectives, adverbs, verbs, and proper nouns.

P.S. I occasionally find Catalan entries (usually basic words) that have a bolded headword instead of the proper template or even infl. Would it be possible to get a list of those? Maybe track them down by finding entries that physically have "[[Category:Catalan nouns/verbs/whatever]]" in them? Ultimateria 17:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: "I only asked for adjectives, nouns, and verbs (proper nouns slipped my mind)": D'oh! Sorry, I missed that somehow. O.K., next time I'll (try to) filter by POS section as well.

Re: bolded headword: So, that would be any occurrence within a ==Catalan== section of a line that starts with '''?

—Ruakh_TALK 19:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes please, if you don't mind. Ultimateria 19:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Ultimateria/ca-bolded-headword. (There were also ten entries where a usage note started with ''', but I've cleaned those up myself and removed them from the list.) —Ruakh_TALK 19:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Ultimateria 20:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

ja-kanjitab

Good job. --Daniel 00:42, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Haha, thanks. I enjoy menial tasks. (I may or may not be really strange.) Ultimateria 03:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

interwikis

Gracias por la bienvenida. Sobre los interwikis, bueno, suelo ponerlos por inercia, jeje. Chau!!--Etienfr 01:49, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Northern Mariana Islander

Why did you remove those translations? Are they not legitimate translations? ---> Tooironic 05:20, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

They are legitimate, but that would be the equivalent of adding from the Northern Mariana Islands to a translation table on another wiki which is just a red link to a page not worth creating. I've actually been restraining myself from removing more of these from other demonym entries. As someone who uses Indexes, I don't want these overly literal, multi-word translations that don't need their own entries. And if I wanted to know how to say Northern Marina Islander in another language and didn't see a translation for the language I want, I would just say "from the Northern Mariana Islands" in that language, which is exactly what those translations were. Ultimateria 01:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

They are legitimate so why suppressing the info? Why not leave it like, for example, *French: des îles Mariannes du Nord (without a link), *French: [[des]] [[îles Mariannes du Nord]] or *French: [[des]] [[îles]] [[Mariannes du Nord]]? Regards. --87.217.184.204 03:57, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

¿Mandíbulas de la vidas?

¿? Did you read the comment I left? Do you know Spanish? You know Spanish. If that phrase had to have a plural (it is already a plural: "mandíbulas" is the noun core of the noun phrase) by changing "vida", then "la" should be changed as well accordingly (las vidas... but a Spanish-speaking person would never do that). My only "sin" was/is not knowing about the proper format. Regards. --87.217.184.204 03:43, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it is the same case as "jaws of life". You would not say "jaws of lives". --87.217.184.204 03:50, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Still, the plural should not be (diff) "pl". But I let it stay incorrect because I thought the plural was specified as "mandíbulas de la vida" without the s at the end. I'll fix it. Ultimateria 05:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I was aware of it but I did not know how to properly fix it. A repetition of a (linked) pl seemed to me a less bad option than a linked "mandíbulas de la vidas". I expected somebody would fix it as you eventually did. Thanks. Regards. --87.217.184.204 09:53, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

GedawyBot

Hello, I opened a voting to have bot flag. I hope you particibate. Thanks.--M.Gedawy 19:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Catalan

Just thank you. You inspire me to read more Catalan online. Mglovesfun (talk) 00:06, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Stop it. You're making me blush. But seriously. Ultimateria 00:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I noticed you're adding verbs to MewBot, are these all old entries that are still missing some form entries? I was meaning to check that but if you're already doing that then thank you. :) —CodeCat 03:18, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, I don't exactly have a system. I just find them randomly. If you could generate a list though you could take care of them all at once. Ultimateria 03:26, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't really know a way to generate a list. The only possibility I can think of is to modify the inflection templates to add the entry to a category if a certain one of its entries doesn't exist. But which entry can we choose where we can be almost sure that no other language will have it? —CodeCat 11:15, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

That would work. I think vosaltres imperfect subjunctive (-éssiu, -íssiu) is safe. I checked the pages that use {{ca-conj-ir-tenir}}, {{ca-conj-ure-beure}}, {{ca-conj-ure-complaure}}, and {{ca-conj-ure-creure}} (since so few verbs use them it would be a waste of time to modify them) and only found the conjugation of endur-se to have redlinks. But I can't find any evidence of it being used non-reflexively, so...not sure how to deal with that. Ultimateria 19:26, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

That's a problem I found with Dutch as well. Some time ago I proposed that we add a context tag to reflexive verbs instead of creating a completely new entry. This is how diccionari.cat marks its entries as well, but it uses the term pron. —CodeCat 19:52, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I've changed {{ca-conj}} so that it categorises entries in Category:CodeCat's test category if the 2nd person plural imperfect subjunctive form doesn't exist. —CodeCat 20:01, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Cool. I'll check any of these that need checking and feed them to Mewbot. Ultimateria 23:13, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

• BTW, if you ever come to Barcelona, let me know and I'll show you around the literary hotspots. Or, if you like, to some fine bars. --Simplus2 09:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
• but only if you check the mpl of multitudinari first. --Simplus2 11:44, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

  Another request - can you change {{fr-conj}} so it does the same - add to <includeonly>{{#ifexist:{{{ind.f.1p}}}||[[Category:Simplus's test category]]}}</includeonly>

I just realized I'll be able to drink in Spain but not when I come back to the US. Weird... Anyway, multitudinari was fine, and you'll have to ask CodeCat about the template thing. Ultimateria 18:06, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

inexperienced user

Can you assist User:Britannic124? He's one of those new editors with lots of enthusiasm but not much Wiktionary experience. I may not be on-line enough to assist much, so a second person who can provide guidance (mostly Spanish) would be of help. You can get the gist of things so far from the conversation started on his talk page. --EncycloPetey 05:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on him. Do we actually have any policy on forms in translation tables? I think we should since I seem to come across them all the time. Ultimateria 18:21, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

sagaz

I am simply going by what's reported by RAE, is the part of speech wrong per chance?Lucifer 19:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't see it as a noun on the RAE. [2] Ultimateria 19:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

excel·lentment‎

Hi. Is that normal, with the bullet character between syllables? Equinox ◑ 03:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

l·l is a special character in Catalan, and is used to distinguish /ll/ (geminate l) from the spelling <ll> which represents /ʎ/. —CodeCat 03:31, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

enyeguecer

Gracias por los arreglos, pero aún quedan unas polémicas, en muchas de las conyagaciones se necesita tener us con dieresis <<ü>>, ?cómo se pueden agregar?Lucifer 23:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

¿Tienes un ejemplo de tal verbo? Ultimateria 23:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

infinitives

Noticed some of your edits to remove "to" from phrasal verbs, and noticed for the first time that the infinitive particle is no longer being used in the English verb template. Do you happen to know when that change / decision happened? I assume it happened during my extended wikibreak last year. I'm just curious to see any discussion so that I'm up to speed on the current community opinon. --EncycloPetey 02:43, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea. I was just going through that category to find uncategorized phrasal verbs. Ultimateria 02:49, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Todo/needed trans templates

Just a thought, if you work from the bottom instead of the top, then the numbering remains accurate. I'm aware it doesn't really matter, just psychologically, the lower the number of the bottom section, the closer I feel to the finish. I'm currently removing ones that already have translation table templates. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:31, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

It's a little convoluted, but I just subtract the number of the last section from its title. I guess I'll focus on trying to finish it soon so it won't matter. Ultimateria (talk) 02:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Context templates

I just want to make sure that I am not creating any messes that need cleaning up. It seems to say here that I should use them. There seems to be some conflicting instruction on how to do it. I guess what the important thing is, is to find out what is more recent. Also, does using the context template cause any problems? From what I read, it might be superfluous. Let me know what you think. Speednat (talk) 23:41, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

How do I know which modifiers have their own template as opposed to needing to use "context"? Also, then shouldn't the page I pointed you to, be changed to reflect the current policy, as that is why I changed what I was doing.

Thank for the fix on the IPA mixup. I didn't catch myself on that one. Speednat (talk) 00:03, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Trapezoid translations

I don't speak Spanish, and I haven't time to check just now, but I have serious doubts about "trapezoide" being the word used in Spanish for a quadrilateral with two sides parallel. Does Spanish not have the equivalent of the French "Trapèze"? Dbfirs 17:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

It does (it's trapecio), I just didn't realize they were two different words until you asked. It's fixed now. Ultimateria (talk) 19:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Everyone finds the two words confusing to translate, even between versions of English! I blame Charles Hutton who misunderstood Proclus. Best wishes. Dbfirs 23:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

List templates without documentation

I see the problem. Do you know how long the problem has existed? I made some edits to insert nul documentation pages and {{documentation}} on some templates in this byzantine grouping last night. It would be a good bet that one of those is connected to the problem. It might be that includeonly and noinclude got flipped, possibly on a documentation page. DCDuring TALK 00:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I think I got it. It was as I surmised. Sorry. DCDuring TALK 00:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Marking edits as patrolled.

Hi,

When you undo an edit, or follow up with format-fixes, please remember to mark it as patrolled. Otherwise someone else will have to come along and look at the edit, and figure out that it's already been dealt with.

Thanks!
—Ruakh_TALK 03:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess I have a habit of not marking edits as patrolled in languages that I don't speak so that editors that understand the language can check them. But in the case of Adamsa123, I guess no one's going to know the difference... :P

But when you say "undo an edit", what are you referring to? I tend to rollback, and when I undo I almost always remember to mark it as patrolled. Ultimateria (talk) 05:05, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: languages you don't speak: if you want to attract attention from editors who speak a given language, I recommend using {{attention}}.   Re: undoing: Oh, sorry. I posted the same message on your talk-page and CodeCat's. That part might apply only to her, then. —Ruakh_TALK 05:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

costos

Ultimateria, are you sure that this is the plural of Catalan cost and not costs like it says on their project? --Æ&Œ (talk) 18:34, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I fixed it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Ultimateria (talk) 22:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

El imperativo negativo al catalán

Hola. ¿Cómo es el imperativo negativo al catalán se forma? ¿Se forma con no y el subjuntivo presento como al español? Saludos. --Æ&Œ (talk) 23:25, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

No, el imperativo negativo es simplemente el mismo que el imperativo afirmativo. P.e. No em deixa aquí. (No me dejes aquí.) Ultimateria (talk) 03:04, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

WT:TRREQ#Spanish to English

Despite the name, this is in Catalan. It has a lot of errors in it so nobody can really make proper sense of it. Can you help please? —CodeCat 23:50, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I think you guys got most of it but the "xk" which really stumped me. It must be an abbreviation (for what, I don't know): I looked up the letter names and I don't think /iks ka/ or /ʃeʃ ka/ sound like any other Catalan words. Ultimateria (talk) 03:04, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

sh nesting

Hi,

Thanks for fixing the sh translation on Arkhangelsk. We should use the word "Roman", not "Latin", though. The word "Latin" conflicts with Latin (language) translations and the speedy translation allows only using Serbo-Croatian/Roman nesting. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed that Mglovesfun was changing them from Roman to Latin and I assumed he had a good reason for it. In fact he used his bot to change it in many entries. You might ask him why he did that. Ultimateria (talk) 00:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I have asked. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Asturian

Thanks for the Asturian edits. It is always nice to have people reviewing each other's edits. --Adding quotes (talk) 14:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem. :) At first I thought it was just like Spanish but now I notice more and more differences. Like the -ada -> -aes endings which I just realized yesterday. Ultimateria (talk) 22:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

jueu

Hi! Could you add pronunciation to this please? I'm wondering whether it has one syllable (with a triphthong) or two (with u and a diphthong)... —CodeCat 22:15, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

For pronunciation questions you should definitely ask User:Morkai5 rather than me, but I've given it a look. For hyphenation I look at the bottom of the page of the diccionari.cat entry (jueu here), so I expected it to be /ʒuˈew/ based on that page. However, I looked it up on forvo (cool site BTW) and was surprised to find a recording ([3]) and it sound more like /ˈʒwe.u/ or maybe /ʒwew/. So...yeah, ask Morkai5. :P Ultimateria (talk) 04:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

guia

Spanish section has been re-added. I'd remove it myself but I only list myself as es-1. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I found more errors in the user's contributions. Ultimateria (talk) 21:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

1 Kgs

I noticed that you changed the heading on three (or more) of the abbreviated biblical books. I am not sure I understand why they were changed from abbreviation to Proper noun. I ask only because I wish to understand the proper way. I understand they still are abbreviations and you added the template for abbreviations. I just don't see why there would be a header for abbreviation if it is not used in this specific situation. Thanks Speednat (talk) 06:23, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I think we're trying to deprecate it (and {acronym}, {initialism}, etc.). I personally prefer true POS's (because each abbreviation, etc. is just a placeholder for a term that has a POS), but I decided to start this because of this discussion. There doesn't appear to be anyone strongly in favor of keeping "Abbreviation", etc. as an L3 header. Ultimateria (talk) 14:08, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Cool thanks, I wish when things get decided that certain things would get done so that those of us that don't read every Beer Parlor post would know what to do and not to do. That does make sense, unfortunately I have been creating them as fast as people probably have been fixing them. Speednat (talk) 17:57, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

gráphica

Ultimateria, you created gráphica as a Spanish feminine, but I don’t believe it is correct for Spanish or any other language. Spanish is gráfica (with f, not ph). —Stephen ^(Talk) 17:21, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

That's so weird because I also created the correct gráfica. I have no idea what I was thinking since that was three and a half years ago... Thanks for pointing it out to me. Ultimateria (talk) 15:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:ast-conj-car is now being used

Hi Ult. Just to remind myself that Template:ast-conj-car is now being read by my illegal bot. I hope it doesn't screw up too much. --Perhaps another fan (talk) 22:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• Template:ast-conj-gar is coming next, then Template:ast-conj-ir I guess will come at a later date.

Awesome! Thanks for the info. Ultimateria (talk) 00:28, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Feeding the non-bot

Another thing: If you create a new Asturian verbs and want to feed it to the "semi-automatic Asturian-verb-form generator", or if you find one whose inflected forms need making, can you leave a message here for me and I'll add it to the list. See you soon (under a new name, I guess) --Outtogether (talk) 08:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

1. sorber
2. andorgar
3. comicar
4. atragantar
5. fartar
6. asar
7. amenazar
8. pagar
9. adormir
10. adquirir
11. afalagar
12. afalucar
13. afluir
14. afumiar
15. aguantar
16. aguardar
17. alzar
18. anunciar
19. aprender
20. apuñalar‎
21. arder
22. asediar
23. aspirar
24. atropellar
25. ayunar
26. basar
27. batallar
28. brillar
29. castigar
30. cegar
31. circular
32. circuncidar
33. clavar
34. clonar
35. colar
36. coleicionar
37. combayar
38. comportar
39. connotar
40. contar
41. contestar
42. abolir
43. abotonar
44. abruxar
45. acordar
46. activar
47. copiar
48. correr
49. costar
50. cristianizar
51. decidir
52. desafiar
53. desarrollar
54. descansar
55. desear
56. despertar
57. desterrar
58. desertar
59. desfacer
60. dinamitar
61. divorciar
62. eclipsar
63. embotellar
64. emocionar

Galician conjugations

As a matter of curiosity, where did you find the additional conjugation forms? They don't appear in the RAG's Normas Ortográficas e Morfolóxicas do Idioma Galego. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Here. It appears to be a pretty reputable source. All the forms that were already in the templates checked out.

P.S. Would you consider running Fitbot again? No other bot that I know of creates Galician verb forms, and I'd like to have them added for the verbs I add. Ultimateria (talk) 22:29, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

The link you provided doesn't work for me. I would consider running FitBot again, certainly. I have typically run it for every verb that I've fleshed out fully from RAG dictionaries and information (which I have to translte into English senses from the Galician defs and example sentences). I would just need (ideally) a list of verbs to run, sorted by conjugation pattern. I also need to update my bot files, since I haven't run it for a while, and am not sure that I've tried running it since I got my new computer. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

[4] It should work now. Well, if you get the bot running again, you should set up a page for feeding it and let me know! Ultimateria (talk) 23:47, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

vostedes

The genders you specified turn it into "male, female and/or plural". I don't think that's what you meant, though. —CodeCat 16:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

You're right. Guess I'm stuck in the stone age of when it was still "infl". Ultimateria (talk) 17:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Interwiki work

I know this is unrelated, but I just wanted to say thanks for all the interwiki linking you did on the FFwiki, it's greatly appreciated ^^. I'm the only one currently working on that stuff on the English version, so it's nice to have a big head start. Oh, and I'm Shockstorm on the FFwiki. --107.207.84.59 19:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Wow, when I started out doing interwikis I did it because most people couldn't or wouldn't, but I knew that few people would appreciate my work. I'm glad someone appreciates it enough to come find me and tell me! :D Ultimateria (talk) 20:10, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Mirandese templates

Er, want a template for Mirandese nouns? That way you can create plural forms with a single click, like Spanish. I can make it predict the plurals as well if you tell me the rules for that. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:21, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm so lazy... Yeah, that would be great! Plural rules are like Portuguese: vowel ending + s, consonant ending + es. L endings are -al to -ais, -el to -eis, but -il is also to -eis (I'm only about 90% sure about these). Also, -ç to -zes. Ultimateria (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know any Portuguese, I only speak Spanish. What exactly are all the Mirandese pluralisation rules that differ from Portuguese? —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 00:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

-il > -eis and -ç > -zes. Or you could model it after Spanish with those two plus -al > -ais and -el > -eis. There are no z endings. Ultimateria (talk) 05:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Isihlalo

Certainly abantu is not the plural! The plural is izihlalo. I'm sorry, I just fixed that. (Lukenji (talk) 21:54, 7 September 2013 (UTC))

{{ja-romaji}}

FYI, the {{ja-romaji}} template has been changed; see my bot-edit to dansei. If you've been using {{subst:ja new/rom}}, then that's fine: it's been updated appropriately, so you can continue to use it the same way. —Ruakh_TALK 16:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Catalan conjugations

Hey, check out ennuegar and ofegar. Not sure of the conjugations, as I made them superquick. Can you help please, -WF

sinónimos

Olá. ¿Sabes algunos sinónimos del verbo (español) equipar? Saludos, --Æ&Œ (talk) 04:30, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

¿"Olá"? ¿Estamos code-switcheando? :P ¿A qué sentido de equipar refieres? Puedo ayudar más si me das la frase en cuestión. Ultimateria (talk) 04:38, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Sim, me gusta alternar. Favor del primero sentido aquí. ¿Te ayuda? --Æ&Œ (talk) 04:44, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Obrigado por clarificar, pero se me ocurren muy pocas palabras... Armar es un buen sinónimo. Busqué 'arm' en un tesauro inglés y 'armar' y 'equipar' en un tesauro español, pero no me gusta ningún sinónimo.

P.D. La expresión 'favor de' significa 'por favor' (más o menos), pero sólo se usa antes del infinitivo de un verbo. P. ej. 'Favor de quitarte los zapatos.' Ultimateria (talk) 05:08, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Estoy criando un tesauro para abandonar, e no tesauro tenho estes vocábulos:

• dejar
• desamparar
• despedir
• largar
• rechazar
• renunciar
• repudiar
• sacrificar

Você puede verificar‐os, y talvez sugerir adiciones o subtracções? Saludos, --Æ&Œ (talk) 05:18, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Desamparar y repudiar me parecen de uso culto (igual a forsake y repudiate en inglés), pero la lista es más o menos completa. Mi única sugerencia es desertar. Ultimateria (talk) 05:57, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

«merda» palabras

Olá. ¿Sabes cualquier derivaciones del español «mierda» o del portugués «merda»? Saludos, --Æ&Œ (talk) 00:30, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

En español, vete a la mierda, de mierda ("shitty"), comemierda (el cual nunca he oído), el uso eufemístico de miércoles. En realidad, Stephen es mucho mejor con estos asuntos de sinónimos y derivaciones. Tristemente, mi portugués es bastante básico y el profesor no usa palabrotas. Ultimateria (talk) 00:53, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

En español: enmerdar (to make shitty), enmerdado (shitty, covered in shit), merdellón (slovenly servant), merdoso (shitty). Es un mierda = he’s a real shit; don Mierda = a real nobody; ¡vete a la mismísima mierda! = go fuck yourself; cogió una mierda = he got shit-faced (drunk); mandar a la mierda = send to hell.

Em português: merdáceo, merdal (a very large stool; an extremely bad situation with no way out), merdalha (ignorant pronunciation of medalha, a medal), merdalhaz, merdança (when multiple things start to go wrong at the same time; a catastrophe), merdar (talk nonsense; talk shit; chit-chat), merdeiro (bunch of shit; refers to a situation, problem, or group where things do not work or are complicated, or referring to the aggravation of a problem), merdel (terrible physical condition), merdelhéu (bad consequences of an act that causes one discomfort, embarrassment or misfortune), merdelim (silly, worthless; one who trades in human excrement for fertilizer; a species of gadfly that lives in excreta), merdice, merdícola, merdígero, merdilão, merdilhão, merdilheiro, merdimbuca, merdinha (incapable person, worthless slut, lazy asshole), merdívoro (coprophagous), merdo (adjective usually used pejoratively of a person, indicating that he is worthless), merdoso (full of shit; fearful; guy who stinks; guy who likes to fuck), merda gasosa (fart), merda humana (things a person does that demonstrates his incompetence, causing harm to himself and others), merda presa (constipation).

Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV can probably add a lot more to this than I can. —Stephen ^(Talk) 07:47, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Toldya. Ultimateria (talk) 16:54, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

hydrant

Como diz‐se em catalão? --Æ&Œ (talk) 21:25, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Segons aquest lloc web, "boca de reg" o "boca d'incendis". Però no vaig trobar exemples en els periòdics... Ultimateria (talk) 01:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

impure

In this diff, your assisted translation edit resulted in an unmatched {{trans-top}}, which caused the rest of the entry to become invisible. We have been have similar problems with other JS-assist gadgets. Are you confident that you did not yourself accidentally make the bad edit? If so, then this is not evidence of a JS problem. Otherwise, it is. DCDuring TALK 14:28, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

All I did was change the name of the trans table from "impure" to "not pure" (and add those three translations). I didn't think anything strange had happened until I saw in the recent changes that I had somehow added over 1000 bytes to the page. I have absolutely no idea how that other information was duplicated. Ultimateria (talk) 17:18, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply.

I certainly occasionally make edits that mysteriously cause similar problems, some of which I don't detect, for some of which I can't identify what, if anything, I did wrong, or what else might have caused the problem. I was hoping for evidence to support a hypothesis about the JS scripts - that they aren't executed fast enough or something. It's hard to get evidence for transient phenomena. This is not clear cut evidence, just as the other suspicious occurrences weren't. Sigh. DCDuring TALK 17:31, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

lorem ipsum

Hola. ¿Puedes inspeccionar ésta para mí? Sabes más catalán que yo. Saludos,

Okay:

1. Quité la grafía alternative porque ni el GDC ni el DIEC la tiene, pues dudé que existiera. Pero si tienes ejemplos, deshaz mi edición.
2. Lo mismo con licantròpic.
3. Parece solo tener uso psicológico. Se usa home llop en la mitología.

Ya que hablas español, será muy fácil aprender catalán. Especialmente con los dos diccionarios, palabras traducidas por multilingue.cat y las entradas que tenemos aquí. Saludos, Ultimateria (talk) 17:43, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Que merda significa remir en català‽ --Æ&Œ (talk) 12:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

No puc trobar aquesta paraula. Com és l'oració completa? Ultimateria (talk) 20:53, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Trobe aquesta en el meu corrector ortogràfic. [5] --Æ&Œ (talk) 00:38, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmm...no sé. Si tingués el context, podria endevinar el significat. Ultimateria (talk) 18:25, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

On estàs? --Æ&Œ (talk) 12:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Treballant... :/ Ultimateria (talk) 16:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

¿Qué significa ta en catalán? --Romanophile (talk) 08:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

És una forma alternativa de "la teva"/"la teua". La forma masculina és "ton". Hi ha més informació aquí: #5. Ultimateria (talk) 04:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

You feeding my (non)bot

Hi, sorry for using your talk page as a bot-feed page. I made my own non-bot-feed page for Asturian verbs. I'd appreciate if you could add any Asturian verbs on there, and I'll process them with my non-bot. --Back on the list (talk) 10:57, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

coraçon

¿Estás confidente que esto es femenino? Saludos, --Æ&Œ (talk) 19:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Acabo de aprender que no soy infalible. Gracias! Ultimateria (talk) 04:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

suis

¿Qué significa «suis» en catalán? Saludos, --Romanophile (talk) 18:47, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Quieres decir suís?. Si no, tienes la frase? Ultimateria (talk) 21:02, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Pienso que es el plural de sui, que encontré en mi diccionario catalán de Opera. No sé lo que aquel significa. --Romanophile (talk) 00:25, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Pues ni idea. Lo siento. Ultimateria (talk) 15:32, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

food pronunciations

I spotted this beauty over at /r/badlinguistics:

http://the-daily.buzz/correct-food-pronunciation/

Now, it is written from a prescriptive point of view, but it’s still (somewhat) utile, even if it’s not written in IPA. Some pronounce raspberry as ‘rasp‐berry,’ hummus as ‘hum‐iss’ tortillas as ‘tor‐tee‐laas’ and pasta and ‘pass‐tah.’ (onion is allegedly pronounced ‘o‐nion’ as opposed to the ‘preferred’ ‘ah‐nion,’ which is all very weird.) If you are interested, you can translate these pronunciations into IPA and include them in their respective articles, maybe mark them as informal. What do you think? --Romanophile ♞ (contributions) 02:08, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Huh, I only feel comfortable adding pronunciations I'm familiar with, so I looked up the ones for bruschetta, espresso, etc. and we already have both pronunciations for them. Some of them are too silly for me to include, personally. Ja-la-peh-noh? Maybe that's how you say it if you've never encountered the word before, but I've never heard anyone say it like that in earnest. Also why don't they just write it "un-yun"??? Ultimateria (talk) 09:02, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

pandeist/pandeists pronunciation

I am curious as to your changes for the pandeist/pandeists pronunciation item. As these are derivations of deist/deists (compare pandeism, deism) why wouldn't the pronunciation be the same as it is for its component? Pandeist (talk) 22:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

For pandeist I only changed the ĭ to the appropriate IPA symbol (ɪ, the i in "win", for example). I only changed pandeists to reflect the pronunciation given for the singular form. Ultimateria (talk) 23:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

I guess I don't know enough about IPA to know if that's right -- but if it help here's a YouTube vid of, essentially about a minute of people just pronouncing [pandeism].... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bHQxYcZ_Fbo -- there's actually a bit of variation within it, too, but there's a pretty solid trend overall. Blessings!! Pandeist (talk) 01:16, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Spanish bot

Hey Ulti, I see you [https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BuchmeierBot/FeedMe&diff=prev&oldid=35923515 added this edit. So you know, the new cool place to feed Spanish bots is at User:DTLHS/spanish bot requests. --Stubborn Pen (talk) 15:54, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

I promise I will work some more on this soon (lots of paradigms missing that have piled up). DTLHS (talk) 15:56, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

buit

Saps uns sinònimes d'aquest adjectiu? --Romanophile ♞ (contributions) 06:13, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Eh...no. Uso aquesta pàgina [6] com a tesaurus. Vaig escriure "empty" y clicar "anglès". "Vacu"? "Vacant"? Ultimateria (talk) 10:40, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Error 500

Internal error: execve() failed. --Romanophile ♞ (contributions) 01:39, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

[7] Ultimateria (talk) 11:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Re-Pronunciation format

Hey dude. Thanks for letting me know! I will keep it in mind. - Algentem (talk) 12:37, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Auto-detected related terms

Prototype: User:Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV/relterms/pt. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 01:10, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

What is your method for generating these? The list for "bottom" seems odd. DTLHS (talk) 01:12, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Dump parsing. It’s still being refined; let me know if you find more odd stuff. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 01:18, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

It seems good, but I'm not sure we had the same purpose in mind. For example Tibete and tibetano already link to (only) each other, so I don't think they need to be included. The purpose I had in mind was to populate related terms with the sections from other entries. I don't think I would have included redlinks then. Ultimateria (talk) 10:50, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Non-italicised items have the same number of related terms already in the entry as were generated automatically. I added them to the list so that it’s easier to convert existing related terms sections to the relN format. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 14:49, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be more efficient if the results didn't include entries that already link to each other though? What's left to change in them? Ultimateria (talk) 16:28, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV I have a request to get started on this project: can you generate a list of pages that use {{alt form of}} (and its redirects) that are not linked to by their 1= parameter? Ultimateria (talk) 16:09, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I can do that, but probably not within the next two or three weeks. Give me a shout if I end up forgetting. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 01:35, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

@Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV Here's that shout! Also, could you do something similar with Category:Spanish words suffixed with -mente? As in, a list of adjectives that don't link to the adverb? I'm trying to generally expand those entries. Ultimateria (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Am I missing one?

{{alternative form of}}, {{alternate form of}}, {{alt form}}, {{altform}}, {{alt form of}}, {{alt-form}}, {{alternative case form of}}, {{altcaps}}, {{alternative capitalisation of}}, {{alternative capitalization of}}, {{alternative spelling of}}, {{alternate spelling of}}, {{altspelling}}, {{altsp}}, {{altspell}}

— Ungoliant ^(falai) 19:29, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

I think that should be it! Ultimateria (talk) 21:29, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

The Spanish list is already usable. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 22:55, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you! Ultimateria (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Catalan verbs -tenir

I have removed detenir from User:DTLHS/catalan bot requests. Imperative forms in Template:ca-conj-ir-tenir should be reviewed, but I am not sure how to fix it, even how to explain it. All verbs in -tenir ending follow verb model mantenir with two imperative forms, except tenir with tree imperative forms. See conjugation of mantenir and conjugation of tenir. Currently the template uses the third form of tenir, té, and this form has an explicit meaning as imperative, it can not be used in all contexts of the verb, and it can not be used as model for other verbs with -tenir ending. Forms like manté are only used as imperative in Balearic and usually it is not included as a general imperative form. @CodeCat: probably the template should use -tén as preferred form, if not both -tén and -tingues, with an exception for verb tenir. Note that the same template is used for verbs with -venir ending with parameters fixing imperative to -vén. --Vriullop (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Oh I see, thanks for letting me know. I think some changes are due to the verb templates in general, mostly regarding past participles. I hope CodeCat can help! Ultimateria (talk) 13:11, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Gracias

Oye, tío, pues, tengo que darte las gracias por lo que haces acá. Siempre que estoy creando páginas, vas mejorándolas. Sé que soy una nulidad en hacer páginas completas, y que eso no va a cambiar nunca, pues es todo un placer compartir el wiki con gente tan majete como tú. Qué sigas mucho tiempo colaborando. Un saludo. --Lirafafrod (talk) 23:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Sí que somos un buen equipo! Oir todo esto del tío más interesante de nuestra colonia penal me llena de orgullo jeje. Me alegro también de tener un colaborador en este pobre idioma. Venga, podemos superar a los putos finlandeses! Ultimateria (talk) 04:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Catalan entries

¡Salud! I don't know if you keep an eye on Wiktionary:Requested entries (Catalan)? Can I add items there? --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 17:16, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Sure! I just watchlisted it. Ultimateria (talk) 19:29, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Nice! I keep an informal list of a few hundred words in my head, which I try to have translated in as many languages as possible :p so thanks!

Another question: is {{ca-IPA}} reliable? Can I add it to entries? --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 22:01, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

To my knowledge it is, but with a handful of ambiguities: mainly that stressed e's and o's can be one of two vowels, plus, if you want to get technical, the treatment of the letter x, no double stress in -ment adverbs, and word-final r's in non-verbs might be dropped. So yeah, I use it like 85% of the time. Ultimateria (talk) 22:13, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Abadocar

Seen your comment at Wiktionary:Requested entries (Catalan), I have created ca:abadocar. It is referenced at DCVB, a historical dictionary useful for dialectical, arcaic and old words. Anyway, there are no citations on the Catalan Corpus. --Vriullop (talk) 19:25, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay, so what's the definition? What does "forma de badoc" even look like?? Ultimateria (talk) 23:51, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

It's a cleft shape like that produced in a ripe fruit. I think it is a synonym of clivellar, not sure if it is more appropiate as to cleave or to crack. --Vriullop (talk) 12:52, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I created abadocar. I had to google images the ripe fruit thing haha. Cleave is a pretty dramatic (I picture medieval weapons), but split certainly applies. Ultimateria (talk) 16:50, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Irregular combined forms

Would you be willing to go over the patterns in Category:Spanish verbs by conjugation to see if there are any other irregularities / wrong forms that are currently not accounted for? DTLHS (talk) 01:42, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

@DTLHS: No problem! I found the following issues:

• • In afiliar, afilíame et al. are listed twice.
  • In continuar, contínuame should be continúame.
  • In rehacer, réhazme should be rehazme.
  • In oponer, óponme should be oponme.
  • In prever, préveme should be preveme.
  • In convenir, cónvenme should be convenme.
  • In estar, éstame should be estame.
  • In hacer and haber, I don't know how but I think we should mention that "háceme" is colloquial (Chilean?), "hábeme" is rare or poetic, same with "helo" really.
    • This could just be put in a note in the entry.
      • Added note to hacer, there was one already at haber.
  • I think we should point to iros as an alternative form of idos. [8]

Other comments:

• • In the combined forms table, can identical dative/accusative words occupy the same box?
  • Category:Spanish verbs ending in -er (conjugation atardecer) and Category:Spanish verbs ending in -ar (conjugation imp)‎ are the same?
  • Category:Spanish verbs ending in -ir (conjugation rehuir) is empty.
  • Why does querer have a regular conjugation table under the standard one?

--Ultimateria (talk) 03:18, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

The conjugation of atardecer was the subject of a deletion argument a while ago. I could merge it if you think that has been resolved. The other conjugation table of querer was added by an IP in November. Unfortunately the forms were automatically created so I'll need to spendsome time deleting those. DTLHS (talk) 03:58, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

I'd be opposed to having a bunch of templates for defective verbs; they have a variety of conjugations after all. Could there be a parameter in the es-conj module instead that works across all entries? Ultimateria (talk) 21:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

• abolir had a problem. I quick-fixed it by adding two templates on the page, but that probably didn't solve the problem. --Genecioso (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oh, and it'd be sweet to have some double-combined tables one day, to include stuff like pásamelo with two pronouns. Of course, I'd expect in the long run that Nbot will create entries for them. I'm still waiting for Nbot to make the combined imperative forms, BTW... --Genecioso (talk) 20:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Is there a list of verbs that can have two objects? DTLHS (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I doubt there is. I guess we (you, obvs, not me) could generate a list or category of any combined forms containing two pronouns. It'd be a decent start, at least. --Genecioso (talk) 13:54, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Basque verb izan

Hi, Ultimateria. I outlined a proposed reorganization of a Basque verb entry over at Tea Room. Since I'm a newbie here, and verb is a bit complicated, any feedback you can give me will be welcome. Namnagar (talk) 14:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

portahídroaviones

Hey. Dudo mucho de la pronunciación que has puesto - pórtahídroaviónes. ¿Con tres sílabas acentuadas? ¿Estás zumbao? --Harmonicaplayer (talk) 08:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Harmonicaplayer: ¿Sí? Me parece bien. Suena raro "portahídroaviónes" o "pórtahidroaviónes", o peor, "portahidroaviónes". Creo que los elementos compuestos y los prefijos de más de una sílaba siempre(?) llevan un acento secundario. Escucha estos ejemplos de limpiaparabrisas y dime qué piensas. Para mí, tienen tres golpes, en plan ˌˌˈ. ¿Le preguntamos a algún nativo? Ultimateria (talk) 13:14, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Baymiwuk

I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at Baymiwuk's Spanish translations. I'm pretty sure I know who he really is (this may give you a hint), but I haven't said anything because he seemed to be behaving himself, and I don't know enough of the languages he's been editing to tell if he wasn't. Now I'm not so sure. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:06, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

The Spanish has been hit or miss; I don't doubt that he's a native speaker, but he seems to make up words. Also, I had to nominate a string of his audio files for deletion because he shrieked them in an obnoxious and erotic voice... It's hard to assume good faith now. I don't think we should include any of his recordings of Miwok terms, but the pages with audio files aren't categorized because he links directly to the file. Do we have a policy of removing non-native pronunciations on sight? Ultimateria (talk) 14:52, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

• I've blocked him; he doesn't deserve anything less. We should definitely remove his audio from the entries, and we can try nominating it for deletion at Commons, although they may not care. @-sche may be interested. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 15:00, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, Troy has always had a problem with making stuff up. I seem to remember at least one of his old Spanish entries failing rfv recently. He seems to have been following the Miwok dictionary pretty carefully, though, so I haven't worried about that as much as I should have (I remember consulting it years ago- it's a a good dictionary, from what I remember). I have a Northern Sierra Miwok dictionary and an old ethnobotany for the Southern Sierra Miwok, but using those to check would be like using a Portuguese dictionary to check Spanish (Oddly enough, there are a couple of references to CSM in a dissertation I found online about Northern Paiute and Proto-Numic). At any rate. I wasn't aware that he was adding audio to the Miwok entries- that should definitely be removed. Even if he knows some native speakers, there are aspects of the phonology of most native American languages that an inept amateur like him would completely miss. As for the English audio files: people haven't been adding them to enough of the right entries, so @Sgconlaw has been trying everything to get them for Word of the Day candidates, and Troy no doubt was reacting to that by acting up. The responsible thing would have been to just say no, but Troy has never been all that responsible. <sigh> Chuck Entz (talk) 15:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Well, I don't know anything about Baymiwuk or Troy or what he may have done in the past. I haven't really done much to particularly encourage audio pronunciations for WOTDs, but I noticed that Baymiwuk was adding them recently and tried to provide advice to him on how he should name the files, insert them into entries, etc. While most of the recordings seem fine to me, I did notice that some of the recordings are a bit strange (for example, "File:En-us-oh well.flac" and "File:En-us-sweet spot.flac"). Also, there have been some inaccurate recordings, such as "File:En-us-aegis.flac" (see "Talk:aegis"). These recordings should be redone, but I note that the "Add audio pronunciation" link on entry pages seems to no longer be working: see "Wiktionary:Grease pit/2018/August#Add audio pronunciation". — SGconlaw (talk) 16:47, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Your revert of "lives"

I find your recent revert of my edit to "lives" both weird and uncalled for.

Please explain what differs between e.g. drinks which uses a standard "Noun" and "Verb" entry structure compared to the lives one which doesn't and where the basic structure seems to be based on a confusing article version almost 10 years old. Also, I fail to see the superiority of a version which can't agree with itself on how the first entry rhymes, so something is clearly wrong with the old version.

I generally only edit from an IP-address, but I have quite a good idea about how articles normally appear, since I've added hundreds of Danish translations over the last months. Valentinian (talk) 08:50, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

You're right about the rhymes error (which I didn't catch) and "drinks", because we would normally consider them both to come from the same word (albeit different parts of speech). I separated them by etymology because "life" and "live" are entirely different terms. They're certainly related, but "lives" comes from two words. I'd also like to hear what @Rua thinks. Ultimateria (talk) 20:22, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't know who Rua is, but I can see that he/she has modified the entry a bit. I've cleaned up the rhymes thing, and would say that "pronounciation" is an improvement as a header over "entymology" but I can't recall seeing other entries that uses pronounciation as primary sort key? It seems a lot simpler to me simply to use a "noun" and "verb" format and add all the relevant information to the individual entries (what either word is derived from, how it is pronounced and how it rhymes. I don't dispute that the two words have different origins, although related). I simply doubt that readers will feel that pronounciation and entymology is the primary thing they look for, word class seems more plausible in that respect. Valentinian (talk) 20:38, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I totally agree, but sadly Wiktionary has settled on a different format. I would love it if pronunciation and etymology were subsumed under the lemma/lexeme/word class. This is the approach that Wikidata has taken, and it makes more sense to me. —Rua (mew) 09:26, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

What a bizzare choice. It seems very confusing to me how people made such priorities, but thanks for the explanation. Valentinian (talk) 19:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

'Compounds' and 'Derived terms' lists for Chinese characters and words

"Strengthen connections between entries: adding derived terms, related terms, and alternative forms, and making sure all these entries link to each other. For example, "typically" should link to "typical" in its etymology, and "typical" should link to "typically" in its derived terms. (If you're interested in making pages/categories to help with this, let me know.)"

I have been manually adding compounds and derived terms to the relevant 'Compounds' and 'Derived terms' lists on wiktionary pages for several months now. It is a fun but sometimes daunting task. Is there any way to automatically or very quickly add compounds and derived terms to the relevant 'Compounds' and 'Derived terms' lists on wiktionary pages? I have asked justinrlueng, but he seemed to think there was no way to speed up this procedure. See my last 500 contributions if you can't understand what I'm saying. Thanks! --Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:40, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

@Geographyinitiative Well, I work in Romance languages where there are far fewer terms to add. However, Chinese entries have the advantage of one-way connections in the box in the top right corner of entries, {{zh-forms}}. You could generate a list (i.e. ask at WT:GP) of one- or two-character entries that are linked to from {zh-forms} but don't link to those entries. As a random example, say 牙齦炎 links to 牙齦 and 炎 in {zh-forms}, but those two pages don't link back -- someone can easily make a list of entries like that. Even if you then entered the info manually, I think you'd be saving time by having all the pages that need editing together. I'm not sure if a bot could do this work, but it's worth asking the person creating the list. In any case, I appreciate your interest in this :) Ultimateria (talk) 14:57, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

throw shade

FYI, throw shade, a lemma you created, has been proposed for deletion.  --Lambiam 19:36, 17 October 2018 (UTC)