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cy translations

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English proper nouns

Hi, can you please use {{en-proper noun}} directly under the ===Proper noun=== header to categorize and format the head word. Thank you. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Cornish

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Plural forms

On llewod you included a topical category (felids) and also copied the gender from the lemma entry. Only the lemma entry should have categories like this, and the gender should only be mentioned there as well. Non-lemma entries such as plurals should have just the minimum information needed to point the user to the lemma (though they can have mutations and pronunciations, since those are word-specific not lemma-specific). —CodeCat 13:04, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying that. I've amended it and will remember in future. Llusiduonbach (talk) 13:08, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Singulatives

I think it would be better to use the "noun singulative forms" category, as this agrees better with the existing "noun plural forms". —CodeCat 14:39, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

OK, on which entry? Also, do you know if it's simple to make a bot to create entries from all the Welsh and Cornish mutated forms that each individual entry throws up? Thanks Llusiduonbach (talk) 14:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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Usage examples for piau

Hi Llusiduonbach. Thanks for your fixes to my examples for am and nad and for your many added pronunciations on other entries (which I've found very useful as a Welsh learner). I'm happy to defer to your sense for the language, but with piau, I copied an example from the Wikipedia article on relative clauses, including the radical and the omitted sy. (The latter is mentioned in the usage notes for the entry.) Unless you think it actually sounded wrong as it was, I think it would be good to have examples of different possible ways that the word is used. Stevvers (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

In that context "piau", "biau" and "sy biau" are all valid forms in decending order of formality, it's just that "piau" is very formal so I was trying to bring it down a notch. "biau" would be a good choice to show that "sy" is optional, if you want to show a bit of variety. I'll change it to that but leave it to you if you want to change it back to "piau". Llusiduonbach (talk) 20:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm happy with the current version ("y dyn biau castell anferth"). Stevvers (talk) 08:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks again for all your help with the Welsh. Llusiduonbach (talk) 09:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Pronunciation of anwybyddu

Did you mean either /ˌanʊi̯ˈbəði/ or /ˌanwɪˈbəði/ for anwybyddu? The pronunciation shown, with /wɨ̯/ in the middle, seems impossible to me. Stevvers (talk) 09:19, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Oops. Thanks for spotting that. Llusiduonbach (talk) 07:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Is lle Northern or Southern Welsh?

Hi there! I noticed that the page for ble mentions that "lle" is an alternative form for North Welsh, but on the actual page for lle it mentions that it is a Southern Welsh term. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say which is which in order to align the two pages, but I though you might be! Thanks! Guitarmankev1 (talk) 14:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Well spotted! Thanks for getting in touch. I've changed it to Northern. Llusiduonbach (talk) 15:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

am wn i "I suppose"

Hi, today I encountered the colloquial expression am wn i (“I suppose”) and I'm wondering how to enter it. Does this literally mean "because I know"? Is this am the conjunction am that means 'because, since, as'? I thought that was always followed by a form of bod, not by other finite verb forms. Is am wn i the only form that exists, or can it go in other persons and tenses too, like am ŵyr e (“he supposes”) and am wydden ni (“we supposed”)? Would am wybod be a reasonable lemma form, or is it ridiculous? Thanks! —Mahāgaja · talk 17:36, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, nice find! Yes, am is followed by a noun clause when it means "because, since" (am fod/y/i/na/mai/taw/nad), but am wn i is something different. It's a shortened form of am a wn i, literally "for that I know", usually translated "as far as I know" or "for all I know, the a being an indicator of a relative clause. Technically I guess you could use it with and any person in the conjugation of gwybod but I've never really seen that in practice. It's more like a fossilised set phrase that people use. What do you think the best way to enter that would be? Llusiduonbach (talk) 23:03, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I simply created it at am wn i, putting the information you provided in the Etymology. Thanks for your help! —Mahāgaja · talk 08:11, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Croeso / You're welcome. Thanks again for all the work you do with Welsh. Llusiduonbach (talk) 10:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

cau'r ffyc y fyny

Hi Llusiduonbach, hope you're not too put off by the rude title ;D. Based on my own limited experience and some Google searches, I think that the cau'r ffyc y fyny should be cau'r ffyc i ffyny? Just looking for a second opinion. Thanks! – Guitarmankev1 ^(talk) 15:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I was surprised when I saw the saw the notification, to say the least! You're right. The correct preposition is i. Llusiduonbach (talk) 13:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Formatting

Hey, you're putting languages in the wrong place. I see someone already told you interlingua and English come first, but you put -ada in the middle. You might also wanna learn how references work. Vininn126 (talk) 23:39, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your help. I'm not sure about what you mean about putting Interlingua in the wrong place. I thought the order was Translingual > English > all other languages in alphabetical order, no? I'll read up on the references too. Llusiduonbach (talk) 10:24, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, brain fart. Happens to everyone. BTW if you're going to use that dictionary a lot, you might want to make a reference template. Vininn126 (talk) 10:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Haha, no worries. That book is the standard reference work for Interlingua grammar so a template would be good but stuff like creating templates is a bit beyond my pretty basic abilities. Maybe I'll look into it in the future if I carry on with Interlingua. Thanks. Llusiduonbach (talk) 10:41, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I made it for you. Check out the template here and my edit on -ada here. Vininn126 (talk) 11:02, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Wielkie dzięki! Llusiduonbach (talk) 11:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

ïodin

Hiya - could you please just confirm the mutation is correct for this one? I've updated the module under the assumption that ï behaves like any other vowel, but it'd be good to know for certain that that's correct. Theknightwho (talk) 23:44, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's right: ïodin becomes hïodin. Couldn't work out how to update it myself. Diolch / Thanks Llusiduonbach (talk) 13:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Great - thanks! I've updated it so that vowels should work that way with any diacritic, just in case. Theknightwho (talk) 14:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

One more question on mutations

Sorry to pick your brains again. Could you let me know whether the nonstandard terms Queensland, Victoria and Zwinglïaidd mutate at all? I assume not, but the head template throws an error if it doesn't have an applicable mutation rule, so it would be good to know what it should be. The letters I'm unsure of are K, Q, V, X and Z, which presumably only crop up in loanwords (if ever). Theknightwho (talk) 14:58, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Long answer: K and Q words are the only ones in that list that start with a mutatable sound, /k/, so in speech, someone could choose to, for instance, mutate the initial /k/ of Kenya, Québec and Kyrgyzstan to /ɡ, ŋ̊, χ/ or not (depending on various linguistic factors). If someone wanted to write this mutation, usual practice would be to use the Welshified spelling of the words: Cenia, Cwebéc, Cirgistan and then mutate them: Genia, Nghwebéc, Chirgistan. It'd be very unusual to try and combine the "English" spelling of a place and then add a mutation (except for deliberate, e.g. comic or stylistic, effect).

Short answer: No, K, Q, V, X and Z don't mutate. Llusiduonbach (talk) 15:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Fab - thanks! I'll go with no mutation. Theknightwho (talk) 15:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Great! By the way, at the moment the {{cy-adj}} template throws up invalid forms in Welsh adjective entries and I've been wanting someone to correct the errors for some time as I'm no good with templates myself. I wonder if you're able to take a look? Happy to help with the linguistic side if so. Llusiduonbach (talk) 16:01, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Welsh terms without pronunciation

Thanks for adding so many pronunciations to Welsh entries! Do you search out new entries that lack pronunciation? I can track new ones I add at a sub-userpage so you wouldn't have to go looking for them. Something like this? – Guitarmankev1 ^(talk) 15:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, thank you for adding so many Welsh entries! A list like that would be ideal as I don't have a good system for finding entries without pronunciation. Should I delete the entries from that page once I've added the pronunciation? Llusiduonbach (talk) 13:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Sure - feel free to edit that page however you want! I'll get around to adding more existing entries to that page later, and I'll be sure to update it as I add/find more. Thanks Llusi! – Guitarmankev1 ^(talk) 14:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Great. Diolch! Llusiduonbach (talk) 14:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I added a bunch more words to that list. I tried to sort them a little, hopefully there's some benefit to that. I didn't include any mutated forms, since those are almost always predictable and I have a little tool that helps me to add those quickly. Some of them should be fairly obvious (like plurals which only add -au or forms adding -og), but since I'm not a native speaker I'm always worried about missing irregularities... Diolch i chi hefyd!! – Guitarmankev1 ^(talk) 20:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Been through some of them and spotted diwetharaf, which I think needs marking for deletion. You perhaps meant diweddaraf?
• On another note, are you any good with templates (I'm not!)? The reason I ask is because there's an error in one of the adjective templates which means a lot of the Welsh adjective entries on Wikipedia contain incorrect forms. Details and discussion here but if you're able to help and need me to clarify, let me know. Llusiduonbach (talk) 14:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Finished, leaving the mutated forms for you. Llusiduonbach (talk) 09:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  • You're correct, diwetharaf is a misspelling. Good catch!
  • My ability with templates is fairly basic, but I'll be sure to take a look at that and see if I can help.
  • That was fast - thanks!! Maybe in the future I can put entries missing pronunciation at Category:Requests for pronunciation in Welsh entries. – Guitarmankev1 ^(talk) 12:42, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

    All sounds good. Hopefully others will pick up the pronunciation requests there too. ~~~ Llusiduonbach (talk) 14:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

rharhyngoch?

Hi, is the second-person plural literary form of rhwng really rharhyngoch, or is that a typo? —Mahāgaja · talk 18:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

No! Thanks for spotting that. Llusiduonbach (talk) 08:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Welsh pronunciations

Hi there. Do you have some kind of reference for Welsh IPA pronunciations I could refer to, as I seem to get most of my attempts wrong. I would like to get them right in future but when I've been doing them based on Appendix:Welsh pronunciation, or copying parts of compounds from existing Welsh entries (e.g. pandy and Tonypandy), you seem to have to correct the majority of them afterwards.

Also, a related question: how do you know in South Wales Welsh whether there will be a long pronunciation or just a short one, e.g. in Rhydaman? "a" before a single consonant can be long in South Wales, no?

Cheers, BigDom 06:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey. I thought the majority of your pronunciations were spot on! Place names though can be a little tricky and don't always follow the expected rules (of pronunciation or spelling).

Your process seems a good one, checking the Appendix and similar words. Unfortunately, I don't know of a more accurate guide to Welsh IPA that the Appendix itself. Stuff like this is hard to come by for Welsh or often incomplete or inaccurate.

When it comes to the southern penultimate vowel, it's usually:

long + /b, d, ɡ, v, ð/ (voiced stops and fricatives), /χ/, other vowels (when not part of a diphthong)

short or long + /l, m, n, r/

short + all the rest: /p, t, k, t͡ʃ, d͡ʒ, f, θ, s, ʃ, h, ŋ, ɬ/, more than one consonant

Re that middle one, you can predict whether it's long or short before /n, r/ by the orthography:

short + ⟨nn, rr⟩ e.g. cannu /ˈkani/

long + ⟨n, r⟩ e.g. canu /ˈkaːni/

but unfortunately you can't double ⟨l, m⟩ so they're harder to work out. That said, if there's a shorter root word that contains a short/long vowel before that /l, m/, you can follow that e.g. tal /tal/ → talaf /talav/, tâl /taːl/ → talaf /taːlav/ or gem /ɡɛm/ → gemau /ɡɛmɛ/, gêm /ɡeːm/ → gemau /ɡeːmɛ/ (cf. can → cannu, cân → canu above).

Let me know if that's not clear. I really appreciate all your help with the Welsh. Diolch yn fawr! Llusiduonbach (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Periw yng Ngogledd America?

I haven't worked with lists enough to understand why the highlight text under "Coordinate terms" in the entry for Periw says "(countries of North America)" instead of "(countries of South America)". Feels like some sort copypaste error but I'm not sure where to start looking.Linguoboy (talk) 20:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, a copypaste error on my part. Sorry and thanks for spotting that! Corrected now. Llusiduonbach (talk) 10:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

ymhongar

Thanks for fixing the pronunciation (n.ɡ → ŋ.ɡ) for ymhongar. GPC has it as "ymhon|gar", which I interpreted as implying "n.ɡ", but I see that they have the same for dangos ("dan|gosaf: dan|gos"). I've added a usage note based on the one for dangos. Stevvers (talk) 14:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)