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Hi,

FYI, I deleted r.e.m., as we don't do that here.

—Ruakh_TALK 01:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

bipolar disorder

Please don't do that. We deliberately do not link the names of common langugaes. Even if you link them, a bot would revert you shortly, since the Translation format is maintained by a bot. --EncycloPetey 07:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

breaking bad

The main problem with this entry is the citation page. Citations have to be actual usages, not just mentions. Both of your cites merely mention the term, but do not actually use it. You should find some cites where it is used, in the wild, so to speak. A good place to find citations is books.google.com. —Stephen ^(Talk) 09:12, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Delete: move to Commons

Have you checked that these have all been imported to Commons? I suggested deleting all the files here once and nobody supported it, so I didn't. But if they're on Commons then they can of course be deleted as redundant copies. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Of the ones you tagged, I've deleted the no-longer needed ones I uploaded, and moved the useful ones that had licences, and asked the uploader of one of the useful licenceless ones to fix it. Maro and I have removed the {{delete}} tags from a few that are just for unfinished debugging here. - -sche (discuss) 19:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Re "if they're on Commons then they can of course be deleted as redundant copies", not necessarily: Commons sometimes updates (or even deletes) files the other projects may want to keep as are.​—msh210℠ (talk) 22:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

recent edits

Hey, it looks like you restarted editing here on hitting a million edits at the pedia. Are you aiming for a million here, too? If so, you're most welcome, and best of luck. Note that tagging a page with {{rfd}} is necessary but insufficient for nominating it for deletion: you have to then click the "+" in the template that appears, which will cause you to be editing the RFD (or RFDO) page: there, supply a reason for the nomination. Tagged but not nominated pages will likely be detagged after the tagger has had a chance to nominate (though sometimes another editor will bring the nomination to RFD/RFDO himself if he knows of a reason to nominate it for deletion).​—msh210℠ (talk) 22:37, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Er, sorry, I should have linked: RFD is WT:RFD and RFDO is WT:RFDO.​—msh210℠ (talk) 22:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Because you replied on my talkpage, I continued the discussion there. Fyi.​—msh210℠ (talk) 18:13, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

{{delete}}

Sorry, but marking an image used in more than two dozen pages for imminent deletion without even giving a reason is not a great way to go about things. Please use WT:RFDO by applying the {{rfd}} template to the page and clicking the little ⁺ button, then typing in your reasoning and pressing 'Save'. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 06:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay But the exact same image is on Commons and protected... —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:02, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but we generally like to discuss stuff like this rather than delete out of process. As of now, each image needs to be dealt with individually. If you want to make a vote about image policy around here, I'd be glad to help. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 07:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Phrasebook entries at WT:RFD

Just so you know, idiomaticity has nothing to do with whether we keep these entries or not. They are Phrasebook entries, so instead we are judging them against the criteria at WT:PHRASE (such as "usefulness"). —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:17, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks I guess I can't really judge how important these would be for a phrasebook. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Matt Groening

Hello. I declined your request for speedy deletion of this template [1] because the template is currently in use at WT:Appendix-only pages. I don't get why Daniel made separate templates for everything on that page, but he did anyway. —Internoob 05:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Internoob: Now it just has two redlinks. What is the value of this? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Well now that Daniel restored one of the pages, it has a blue link. I don't think it's worth it to orphan this page and delete it because now it is transcluded on two pages. So you can update both pages at once with a single edit. Might as well keep it around. —Internoob 06:35, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Also, red links are not considered as bad here as they are on Wikipedia. The idea is that they help us by showing what work still needs to get done. —Internoob 06:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Internoob: But why stop there? Should we create a redlink for w:Life in Hell? Redlinks definitely have value at Wikipedia as well. Plus, the appendix page would not be an orphan: it would be linked at Wiktionary:Appendix-only_pages and Wiktionary:Index to appendices. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

You can add a red link for Life in Hell if you want to. I don't think anyone would object. There aren't really very many rules for what goes on in the Appendix namespace. If you really think that this template should be deleted, then bring it to WT:RFDO by adding {{rfd}} to the page. It's not a candidate for speedy deletion because it is being used and it at least has a purpose, even if that purpose is mundane. —Internoob 06:52, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding cats to categories with catboiler templates

In general, this is a bad idea. For one thing, such categories should already have all the categories they need supplied by the template (I just reverted an edit that did). More importantly, not using the template means that changes to the categorization code of the template won't apply uniformly to all the cats that use the templates, and renaming or deleting categories gets more complicated. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:21, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: I am not opposed to using the templates--that's why I didn't remove them. The problem is simply sorting. Do you have a fix for that? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:54, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

No, but if you ask at the Grease Pit, someone else might. The problem with your method is that sort keys should be generated by the templates/modules, so they can be done uniformly, and so they can be redone without redoing all of your edits one by one if consensus on sorting changes later. Why build a huge infrastructure out of paper clips and duct tape when you can flip a switch? Chuck Entz (talk) 05:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Beer parlour

I don't know what your timezone is, but Wiktionary operates in UTC. So could you please undo your post to the January BP page and either post it to the December page or wait till the UTC New Year. --WikiTiki89 17:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89: I was at work. Does it matter? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:17, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't really matter, but keep that in mind for next time. --WikiTiki89 16:18, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Question about template

Template:compactTOC-ase It seems like you made this and have a kind of alphabetical order for sign language gestures. Did you create this order arbitrarily or is it standardized somewhere and you adapted it here? If you respond on your talk, please use Template:ping so I'm notified. Thanks and happy new year! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:52, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

The order is arbitrary. The ASL phones (shapes/locations/motions that compose ASL phonemes) used in that transcription system are based on generally accepted ASL linguistics (which have evolved since Stokoe notation), but Unicode does not yet have code points for them, I'm not aware of any widely accepted sort order or latin-alphabet transliteration. The order in Template:compactTOC-ase is somewhat arbitrary and could be changed without contention. —Rod (A. Smith) 20:31, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

I take that back. It looks like there has been significant progress since I last researched this. w:SignWriting now has designated Unicode code points. We may want to base our transcription and/or sort order on SignWriting. —Rod (A. Smith) 20:38, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

your signature though

lol Equinox ◑ 00:23, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Time-honoured way to sight a Wikipedian, innit? I'd say mine is approaching the upper bounds of showiness for a classic Wiktionary sig. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 00:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Indeed, you little lexicoslut. Equinox ◑ 00:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

@Equinox: It's maybe not as understated as yours but I've seen worse. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:33, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

? or ! used alone in Spanish -- attestable?

Do you think the ? or ! used alone in Spanish are likely to be attestable? --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:24, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: Certainly. I'd be surprised if there weren't some discussion of it from w:ASALE, in point of fact. I have read about it in... El Pais? in the past three years or so. If you want a citation, I can probably find one. I know it is very common in Catalan. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:26, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, if you could provide a citation, I would appreciate it. I wonder if this would be too difficult, because Google ignores punctuation. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:29, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: Falas portugue^s e na~o espanhol? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:31, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Eu falo português, e não espanhol. Maybe if you talk to me in Spanish, hopefully I'll be able to understand it. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:38, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: ?Has tratado leer espan~ol? Es muy ma's facil que ingles... —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:40, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Estou conseguindo ler em espanhol! Porém gosto de inglês também. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:42, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: Pues, eu gosto tu idioma y espanhol y mi idioma tambe'm (y portuñol--una entrada en Wiktionary de mi!) ?No hay nada personas en Sa~o Paolo que falan espanhol? ?Cuantos personas falan ingles en tu ciudad? ?Espanhol no es comun? Creo que es ma's comun entra la frontera con Uruguay... Mein Deutsche nichte est guten... ?pero hay muchos personas que hablan alema'n en tu pais tambien, si'? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:45, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Você criou portuñol e eu criei portunhol! Normalmente apenas falo com outras pessoas em português. Eu conheço poucas pessoas que falam espanhol, inglês ou alemão. Eu aprendi inglês sozinho. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:50, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: Por lo tanto, "ñ" es "nh" en tu lengua... el "ñ" es solo en español. Your English seems very fine to me. I would love to learn more of Portuguese and strengthen my Spanish. Let me know if I can help you in the future. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:53, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Let me know if I can help you with Portuguese. How come Spanish is easier than English, in your opinion? I just checked your user page and learned that you are a native English speaker. I am under the impression that English is easier than Portuguese or Spanish. One reason is: English uses some auxiliary verbs (will, have, had) for past/future/subjunctive/etc. instead of a gajillion of verb suffixes. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 03:03, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: Spanish is easier since you are a Lusophone and they are very closely related Romance languages--similarly, Galician would be easy for you. English is 1.) a Germanic language and 2.) has a huge vocabulary with all kinds of etymologies (including Latin). I'm happy to exchange languages with you--I would love to know more Portuguese. Definitely the hardest part of learning Portuguese/Spanish is verb conjugation but it's also a fairly logical system. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:23, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

You're right: for a Portuguese speaker, learning Spanish is easier than learning English. It seems I can generally understand Spanish texts and speech just based on being a native Portuguese speaker, plus I learned a few Spanish grammar rules. I never tried to learn how to speak/write correctly in Spanish. It looks like a good idea. I'm happy to exchange languages with you, too. I've been slowly learning Japanese by myself as a third language since I was like 15 years old. (by your logic, that would not be a very sound choice: I started with a Romance language, then a Germanic language, and then a Japonic language with a completely different writing system!)

In my experience, it's normal here in Brazil to try to learn English as a second language by going to language schools, even though I learned English by myself. It is something that appears to make a difference in one's resume here. In my previous home, the number of language schools nearby (like Wizard, CCAA, CNA, etc.) was probably somewhere between 8 to 12.

It's normal to hear music in English and most movies you see on TV and movie theaters are from USA (though most people seem to prefer them dubbed in Portuguese; it's hard to find movies with subtitles in movie theaters, and approximately 100% of all animated movies in Brazilian movie theaters are dubbed, at least in most states, most of the time). Many signs in banks, shopping centers, etc. are both in Portuguese and English, and rarely in Spanish. By contrast, I often see hygiene and beauty products like shampoo, soap, deodorant, etc. with both Portuguese and Spanish writing on the same product.

We have English as a regular course in schools, from 5th grade to high school, but the quality is really bad. Some people in Brazil like to mock the specific fact that we conjugate the present tense of "to be" every year in school.

When I was in school, we usually received our textbooks (like 1 for each subject) which we were supposed to take back home and them bring to school everyday. (or just the days when we had that certain subject) I had a tendency to skip school basically the whole year and have little more than 0% attendance sometimes, so I had plenty of time to read my textbooks at home.

I like the ability to navigate English sites on the internet. English Wikipedia is better than its Portuguese counterpart; except the latter usually has more to say about Brazilian people and Brazilian history. Mostly any learning material that I can find in Portuguese I can find in English too. Some sites and comics I like to read are in English (then again, some comics I like to read are in Portuguese and apparently you can't find them in English); and when a book is in English, I don't bother to find a Portuguese translation. That's nice. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 07:45, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: The utility of knowing English almost can't be overstated. It's unfortunate in a way but it's also extremely useful to have a more-or-less global language and as far as having a hyperpower in the world, you could do a lot worse than the United States. Still not a good situation but things could have been much different after World War II. Knowing Spanish would open up a lot of opportunities all around your continent, of course. They may be irrelevant to you--you could spend a lifetime exploring Brazil! How does pt.wp handle differences between Brazilian and African/European Portuguese in the encyclopedia? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:35, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

I agree that having a second language like Spanish (or English) opens up a lot of possibilities for travel. Both languages rank high in the list of languages by total number of speakers. Maybe you are thinking of visiting, or already visited, any Spanish-speaking countries? I don't travel much, but I've been to other states in Brazil a few times to visit friends and family.

I have a limited knowledge of history, so I may be wrong when talking about it, feel free to correct me. The "capitalism X communism" conflict was related to the fact that Brazil was in a military dictatorship for a few decades, which was before I was born. It's still normal for older people to remember it and talk about it, and artists still say on interviews how it was to avoid censorship etc. It does seem that the government of the US helped to fuck up some stuff, but I'll have to study more before being able to discuss it effectively.

The policy concerning regional differences of Portuguese in pt.wp is: w:pt:Wikipédia:Versões da língua portuguesa. According to the page, all varieties of Portuguese are welcome (seção/secção, contato/contacto). Edits that do little else than changing from one variety to the other are frowned upon. There are a few additional rules, like basically using Brazilian orthography in page titles concerning Brazilian people, place names, history, etc., and doing the same for other countries. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:53, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: Sorry--I got distracted from this chat. I have not visited any Hispanic countries other than the United States but I would love to be able to go to Iberia and throughout the Americas speaking Spanish and Portuguese (and Dutch and German but that's ambitious). Just like with Brazil, the United States is so large and diverse that you can spend a lifetime exploring it. And for what it's worth, all I was trying to say before is that it is globally unfair that there is one hyperpower in the world (the United States) but it comes with a benefit of spreading our language which is helpful for communication and the States has some pretty good qualities which it has exported as well (in addition to some very nasty ones). My understanding from a recent post on m: where someone wanted to create a European Portuguese fork of Wikipedia is that it is dominated by Brazilians and their orthographies. Does that not seem true to you? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:10, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I felt it was not very clear what you meant when you first said "It's unfortunate in a way but it's also extremely useful to have a more-or-less global language". Ok, I think I'm fine either way. I would like to visit the US, Europe and Japan someday, but I wouldn't be able to afford it right now. Maybe later.

From personal experience reading ptwiki, it feels probably correct that it is dominated by Brazilian editors, but I'd accept a second opinion if someone knows more about this. The population of Brazil is 20x larger than that of Portugal, so maybe seeing pt-BR rather than pt-PT grammar on the internet and on ptwiki is simply statistically more likely. meta:Requests for new languages contains a few requests for European or Brazilian language forks but they were all rejected. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

xenía

Please look at existing Spanish entries and copy their formatting until you get it right, and feel free to ask if you need help. Those codes like en aren't meaningless — that stands for English, and you need to replace it with es for Spanish. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:05, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: You know for a fact that I don't think they are meaningless--look at how many edits I've made in the past 24 hours using these language codes. Sometimes someone makes a mistake--that doesn't mean he's wildly ignorant or incompetent. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:07, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

When I see multiple formatting errors, I generally assume that the editor hasn't been creating entries for long. I don't think you're wildly ignorant or incompetent, but the offer of help still stands if you need it. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:13, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: I definitely appreciate help and if you see more errors, please let me know. Maybe I misread your tone but it came across to me as you saying, "You clearly don't understand that these codes mean things" when you should know that I do in fact understand that the codes mean things. If I assumed too much bad faith, please forgive me. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:15, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Could you not categorize non lemmas? I think the topical categories are more useful if they aren't cluttered with many inflected forms. DTLHS (talk) 01:25, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@DTLHS: Is there a guideline on this? I see a lot of non-lemmas in the en: versions of these categories. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

That surprises me. Examples? DTLHS (talk) 01:28, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@DTLHS:, @Metaknowledge: I just took out a few more so if that's not all of them, it's certainly close. Has there been a discussion on lemma/non-lemma forms in these categories? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:45, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't recall anything specific. I'm sure this would have broad consensus but you can ask if you want. DTLHS (talk) 01:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Character images

I'm currently listing image links in modules like Module:Unicode data/images/000... That is required before removing the image parameter from the entries. (in case you didn't know it yet) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 01:36, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

The modules also cause the images to apper in the Unicode appendices like Appendix:Unicode/Basic Latin. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 01:37, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: Obrigado. I figured it was from d: with the property "Image of:" (which, honestly, it should be). But for many of these characters, there is no reference on Wikidata, so a module here is wise, at least as a back-up. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:42, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I wonder if Wikidata can be used to store the character codepoints, names, images, etc. (I mean, a list of image names to be stored in Commons, ideally) If yes, then I also support using Wikidata in the future, because it sounds like other Wiktionaries would be able to get the same information from there, too. I don't know how to use Wikidata to do these things, so I guess using modules is the best we can do right now. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:58, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: d:Property:P18 can be used by infoboxes, modules, etc. across properties. Many of these individual characters have images on c: and articles on various editions of Wikipedia as well. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:04, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Place names vote

I hope you don't mind me messaging you to say that voting is open on Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2017-01/Policy on place names. John Cross (talk) 14:11, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Categories

Should go in the correct language section (English at the bottom of the English section, not the end of the page). DTLHS (talk) 22:57, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@DTLHS: That will be a lot more work. Is there a guideline on this? A bot could easily change this as well. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:59, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, if it's a lot of work I can run a bot to fix it after you're done. DTLHS (talk) 23:02, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@DTLHS: Thanks. It's much easier to add with HotCat than use individual section edits. There are many thousands of categories to add just for English and Spanish. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I gave you AWB access by the way. DTLHS (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@DTLHS: That's extremely helpful, thanks. Do we have an outline for this category structure? Because I could easily make a hierarchy of [County]->[Subdivision]->[Cities in subdivision] along with more generic [Regions of country] and remove higher-level categories like Category:en:Cities removed from entries that are in Category:en:Cities in Alabama, for instance. Do we want Category:en:Cities to have 300,000 entries or should they all be moved into subcategories? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:23, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Categories can be found in Module:category tree/topic cat/data/Place names old. In general they should be categorized into the most specific category (leaves of the category tree). DTLHS (talk) 23:27, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@DTLHS: Agreed from my perspective. As you may have seen, I've edited the modules on all of these topics (or at least most of them). Just wanted to check and make sure that I wasn't contradicting any documentation on the creation and maintenance of these categories. So far, I've only really made English and Spanish versions of existing categories but I can add to the tree in a logical fashion like that. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:29, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Category:en:Olomouc

Hi, Koavf. Thanks for founding the Category:en:Olomouc. I noticed that it is a subcategory of Category:en:Cities in the Czech Republic, but when I open that category, it is not there. I tried purging the cache, but it did not help. Do you have any idea what can it be caused by? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:50, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jan.Kamenicek: It just takes time. I know that there is a job queue and it just takes awhile for categories to show up sometimes. Thanks for your hard work as well. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:38, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Template:compactTOC-ase

I saw that you posted a question last year to Rod A. Smith about the Template:compactTOC-ase. FYI: There is no standard for alphabetical ordering of sign language gestures because there is no standard way to write down sign language. The groups presented like 3 and bent-3 are recognizable descriptions of ASL handshapes. Unfortunately, this does not alphabetize several other parameters of a sign language word like location, palm rotation, movement, and repetition. Positivesigner (talk) 16:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@Positivesigner: Thanks a lot. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:01, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Categories with invalid labels

If you see the error message you need to edit Module:category tree first. DTLHS (talk) 15:45, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@DTLHS: I am. It's giving me errors. "Lua error at line 2021: unexpected symbol near 'in' " —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Which page specifically? DTLHS (talk) 15:48, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@DTLHS: Module talk:category tree/topic cat/data/Place names old. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:49, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know why you saw an error. I was able to add the label for rivers in South Korea. DTLHS (talk) 15:51, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@DTLHS: Did you use the same code? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:53, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I believe so. DTLHS (talk) 15:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@DTLHS: Weird. I got several errors on different lines with unexpected symbols near different words even tho I copied and pasted the same text repeatedly... These modules are overly long--they should be split. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Reverting my edits

Please refrain from reverting my edits until the discussion in the Beer Parlour is finished. You have no consensus for these. Besides that, you are wasting my time. DonnanZ (talk) 18:19, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Donnanz: There is plenty of consensus and I have already pointed it out. The only one wasting your time is you. I'm very glad that you want to make these entries--it's very much appreciated--but you're doing one small thing wrong in a deliberate way hundreds of times. You were told on your talk more than once to not do this, so if you want to persist, that's unfortunate but it's not my responsibility. You have had every opportunity to explain why you think this one category is special and you refuse to, so I am absolutely going to undo those edits. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:22, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

The feedback I solicited is about the wording on the policy page, not the general idea. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:22, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

अफ़्ग़ानिस्तान (afġānistān)

What is the point of removing CAT:hi:Countries and adding CAT:hi:Afghanistan? Last time I checked, Afghanistan was still a country. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 19:49, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: Category:Afghanistan is a subcategory of Category:Countries of Asia which is a subcategory of Category:Countries. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:55, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

That's useless though. If I want a list of countries in Hindi, I'll go to CAT:hi:Countries, not to the specific category of each country. Why can't it be in both categories? —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 19:58, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

You're doing a lot of editing, it seems, manually. And without consensus too. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 19:59, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: At what point would you stop diffusing topical categories? You could make an appendix of the names if you want a listing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:00, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: Yes, I'm editing manually... Is that a problem? I have solicited feedback on diffusing topical categories. Are you suggesting that you think they should not be diffused? And if so, which ones and at what level? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:01, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Let's empty CAT:hi:Plants then, categorize each entry in the appropriate genus. Maybe CAT:hi:Colors should be split up by type of color too. I think it's pretty obvious that Afghanistan should be categorized as a country AND a country in Asia AND in the category Afghanistan. Also, it seems like too much work to edit manually. Can't a bot do this much faster than a human? —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 20:04, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: This is why I got AWB access: to diffuse topical categories (e.g. Category:en:Cities). That's not a bot, of course but a semi-automated tool. But yes, of course we should diffuse categories into more specific ones--that's why they are made. Why stop at plants and not just upmerge all plant entries into Category:hi:Lifeforms? This is the question I asked above but you're not answering: where would you arbitrarily stop upmerging and why? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:07, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

When you think of a dandelion, you think of it as a plant. Not a Cichorieae-tribe plant or a Asteraceae-family plant. Yes a dandelion is a lifeform, but the most clear semantic category is plant. Of course, it can be categorized in Cichorieae-tribe plants too, but it shouldn't be removed from CAT:en:Plants. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 20:10, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Actually, now that I see how empty CAT:en:Plants is, maybe it would be different for each language. For example CAT:hi:Plants is pretty sparse so there's no need for subcategorization, but in a dense category like en:Plants, maybe it is necessary. Hmm, this is a bit arbitrary I suppose. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 20:12, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: Of course. For--e.g.--Cherokee there probably won't be many terms for anarchism or common names of Asian birds, etc. so many of those categories would simply never exist. Hindi, on the other hand, will inevitably have several hundred thousand entries over a great course of topics. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:19, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

lol, you're seriously overestimating Hindi's presence here, there are barely 6000 entries. I suppose you're right though. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 20:21, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: At the moment. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:26, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Terms related to places vs places

Topical and set categories form subsets of their parent category. If a category is subcategorised in "Cities in France" then the assumption is that all terms in "Cities in France" and terms in all of its subcategories refer to cities in France. Clearly, not all terms in "Paris" are cities in France, so "Cities in France" should not be its parent, but rather "France". All terms related to Paris are also terms related to France, so they form a proper subset. —CodeCat 14:40, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@CodeCat: Hm. Is there any documentation on this? I can see how this would be a good idea but I can also see how it would go awry pretty fast. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:41, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Not that I know of, I figured it just made sense. All Cities in France are related to France though, so if you want, you can give "Cities in France" "France" as its parent. —CodeCat 17:53, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

mismo

@Koavf: Hi and thank you for your offer to help me out with Spanish entries. In fact there is something I would like you to take a look at. At mismo I added a definition "right, immediately" but I'm not sure now about whether it is an adjective (as listed right now) or something else. Also, let me know what you think of the definition itself. --Polyknot (talk) 16:15, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@Polyknot: Note that immediately is an adverb--just like the vast majority of -ly words in English and the vast majority of adverbs in English are -ly words. The use of "here" in this instance is also an adverb since it modifies a verb and how an action is performed: "put the couch (right) here". —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:39, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@Koavf: Okay, so I'll change it to an adverb. Also, I'm gonna add in "exactly" as per es.wiktionary. --Polyknot (talk) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Koavfefe

That is all! —CodeCat 19:58, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@CodeCat: This is a good point. This is a really good point. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Being a "newcomer" of Wiktionary

How long will I no longer be considered a "newcomer"? I want to ask something before going to either "Information desk" or "Tea room". --George Ho (talk) 19:42, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Being a "newcomer" is really just an understanding of how things operate here and specifically how they are different from Wikipedia. E.g. Here, templates are vital for virtually every part of the dictionary, policies are pretty much always decided with votes, and attestation requirements are different from w:en:WP:SOURCE. Do you have a question in mind? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:00, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

I created joint communiqué (and its alternative joint communique). Sources have used the term, yet I could not find one dictionary. Therefore, I just made some research of its past usage and created a definition. Is the article suitable here? If so, how else do I improve the page? I'm planning to add more categories to the term. --George Ho (talk) 20:09, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Some things that come to mind are that you could use the references with dates to show how the usage has been sustained over time. E.g. look at Orwellian—I made a lot of that entry and my goal was to show its earliest attestation as well as usages which are more current. Similarly, Indianapolitan. You can also add translations if you know of any. For many entries, a picture is useful and there aren't many pictures here (e.g. see the one I added to crime fighters)—that may not be so useful at your entry but many, many entries can use photos. You can add links to similar terms as well. You may also want to refer to Wiktionary:Criteria_for_inclusion#Idiomaticity for this particular case. Terms which are non-idiomatic such as red door or green fish don't deserve inclusion. I think that "joint communiqué" is a legitimate idiomatic phrase but others may disagree. And if you have questions, you can absolutely ask them in other forums. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:28, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Partizak

Although this is the English Wiktionary, having a link to any information in any language for such obscure places is useful. People reading dialectal Armenian entries are anyway to know some Armenian likely, so the link to the Armenian Wikipedia is useful for them. --Vahag (talk) 15:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan: I don't have the time or energy to fight you on this. Do you see any other links to different languages? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:56, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes. All the links to foreign Wiktionaries via interwikis and {{t}}. All the links to foreign Wikipedias via {{wikipedia}}. All the links to foreign Wikisources in Module:Quotations/grc/data. --Vahag (talk) 16:00, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan: ...in a module? If you're providing a source, that makes sense. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:05, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Lol, that's the backend for {{Q}}. —Aryaman ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 11:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: ? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:41, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Shannon County

It still is a county under a different name. Are you a bit thick? DonnanZ (talk) 17:07, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Donnanz: Not sure what your point is. Don't insult me on my talk page. Please be a decent human or just go away. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:11, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, you're acting thick, so forgive me for asking. The point I am trying to make, and that you have difficulty in seeing, is that when the list of counties for South Dakota is complete (and with your actions today that is hardly likely) it will show one more county (67) in the tally than there should be (66). DonnanZ (talk) 17:24, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Donnanz: Again, stop being so rude. I could say the same of you: are you so thick that you don't understand that topical categories aren't just for currently existing tallies? Note that Category:Dinosaurs is under Category:Reptiles but they don't currently exist. Persia is in Category:Countries of Asia. Etc. Where are you getting the idea that topical categories have to provide up-to-date tallies of members in them? Are you just making this up out of thin air? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:52, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

No, I'm making nothing up. That would be the ideal, but you're obviously not interested in that. You're more interested in getting your own way, as you have proved time and time again. DonnanZ (talk) 18:04, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Again, I could say the same. Please show me where you found this idea that topical categories are supposed to provide some up-to-date listing. How did you come to this conclusion? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:07, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

There's a way of getting round the problem you have created. All will be revealed in due course. DonnanZ (talk) 18:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Donnanz: Dude, please just grow up and let it go. It's some preference of yours for how things are displayed on the Internet--it's not worth all this martyr-playing and cryptic threats. I tried to meet you half way and you weren't having it, just go do something else. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:13, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

On your bike. DonnanZ (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Donnanz: No clue what you're going on about. Please leave it be unless you have something new, constructive, and civil to say. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

• Koavf: See here; I can't find enough cites to make a Wiktionary entry. Donnanz: You are being uncivil and engaging in personal attacks. This is a warning: if you cannot communicate civilly, do not do so at all. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:22, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
  • @Metaknowledge: Thanks. Unfortunately, this is a persistent problem. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
  • @Metaknowledge: also: on your bike is an entry. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:30, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
• I'm objecting to being told what to do: "just go do something else". That's not my intention. DonnanZ (talk) 20:04, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
  • @Donnanz: I'm telling you what to do on my talk page. I have every right to tell you to be civil or go away. Be an adult and stop acting like a petulant child. Literally no one wants to deal with that kind of base obnoxiousness. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:06, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Checkuser

Please accept here. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:42, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

heh

I wasn't sure who you were, and I just looked at your Wikipedia page and saw your interesting media history. Good man. Create more words :D Equinox ◑ 01:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@Equinox: Thanks. If you're in Canada on November 19, I'll be on CBC. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah I was actually just about to say the same thing. I came across your Wikipedia page. I didn't know what to think. What an amazing thing. Keep up the good work. PseudoSkull (talk) 22:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

So, this MIGHT be an awkward thing to say but being bold, I'm saying it.

Your username was in a dream I had last night. Should I be telling you this?

I'm not sure why it was your name specifically. Probably because I see the same usernames around here quite a lot, and I tend to remember them all, and my mind picked one at complete random. What is your opinion on this strange dream? Have you ever had dreams about Wiktionary? Has anyone else, maybe? PseudoSkull (talk) 22:42, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull Sometimes, I think that Wiktionary is itself a dream. Or possibly a nitemare. And what you wrote isn't even the most inappropriate thing that someone has said to me today, so please don't worry about mentioning it. If I see any pseudoskulls in Slumberland, I'll be sure to let you know. Thanks and have a happy 2018! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:26, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull: Did you know that I work on a crisis line? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Which one? PseudoSkull (talk) 12:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull: This one. We field calls from the county hospital, our own personal line, and the national 1-800-SUICIDE. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

That's a career that I definitely have a high amount of respect for. You have the capability to change lives, and keep lives going. Cheers, and a Happy New Year to you all! PseudoSkull (talk) 23:07, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull: And I respect being a fake set of bones! If you're ever interested in doing what I do, let me know. Have a great 2018 yourself. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:53, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

just joined the Banned from LyricsWikia™ club

ayy —suzukaze (t・c) 10:47, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

(maybe this is a weird thing to post. i was looking at your wikipedia user page and noticed, so i went back for the first time in a year and did stuff to my user pages that upset ES. you can nuke this message if you think it's dumb —suzukaze (t・c) 10:58, 1 January 2018 (UTC))

@Suzukaze-c: I don't think it's dumb--I actually think that he's a menace around there. And it's tangentially relevant since it's a very large wiki and this is the general WikiSphere. Every time I run into problems with him, a different admin or bureaucrat will say, "Yeah, he's difficult to talk to but what are you gonna do?" and other admins on the site have a problem with him. He was asked to take a break awhile ago and never did. Somehow, it's like others don't realize that they can strip him of his advanced user rites. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:06, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Or they could fork the project (if they're equally carefree about other people's copyrighted material, which lyrics are). Equinox ◑ 22:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c: I'm only assuming your account name is "Umbreon126"? PseudoSkull (talk) 23:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull: Indeed it is. —suzukaze (t・c) 00:59, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Conus

Taxonomic names are considered to be Translingual, and have their own formatting rules (as you will see if you look at any other entries for taxonomic names, which I recommend you do before creating any more). I've brought this one up to basic standards; DCDuring will probably stop by later and add all the finishing touches he likes to do. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 05:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@metaknowledge: Of course they are--I knew that. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:48, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Why? I don't see any advantage to having the sister projects on the right hand side. It's not as if that is part of WT:ELE. Nor do I see any advantage in a wikidata link when Wikidata has nothing. Part of the reason I dislike Wikidata links is because so often I just waste time going to the page to find little. Normal non-contributing users find nothing. DCDuring (talk) 04:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

@DCDuring: I put them there because that is how the Wikidata tempalte looks--if there is an inline-style one, I just don't know of it. Exactly how they display is fine with me either way--do you think we should get rid of the floating div sister templates entirely? As for why would we link to Wikidata, it's a sister project. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:40, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

But how does a normal user benefit? Now it's often just a dead end - a waste of time. I can see value in getting data from them to speed the process on generating links to the various taxonomic sources but not in the dead end. A wikidata template that was at the bottom of the Translingual section, like the Wikidata displays I often see at taxon entries at WP would be better. Best of all would be modifying some of the taxonomic reference templates to use the Wikidata to generate the external links. DCDuring (talk) 06:03, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't see it as more or less of a dead end than (e.g.) Wikiquote or Commons. I also very much agree that we should have a unified template that draws from Wikidata. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:32, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

defrog

I think he actually meant defrag, but missed a letter. I was the one who created the defrog entry after I saw it. According to research, it's used in several books in the present participle and past tense, and a few times otherwise. Or he might have just paired a random prefix with a random noun (since defrag actually comes from defragment). PseudoSkull (talk) 03:48, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull: Wikis in action. That's beautiful. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Adminship

Hello, do you want to be an admin? --Rerum scriptor (talk) 10:40, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@Rerum scriptor: Sure. I think I could be useful here and I'm generally trustworthy enough. But there would be a learning curve for some of the local policies. I'm fairly active here and knowledgeable but not very much so. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Koavf is someone I feel I could probably trust. Please read the rules (there aren't many compared to WP). I look forward to voting for ya. Equinox ◑ 21:22, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

I would definitely support too. PseudoSkull (talk) 21:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the pre-votes of confidence. @rerum scriptor: did you actually want to make a nomination? If so, I'll accept and go from there. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Please accept here. --Rerum scriptor (talk) 11:02, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

WT:RFDO

I think the standard procedure is to archive these discussions using the aWa gadget, instead of simply removing them (；・∀・) —suzukaze (t・c) 01:57, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c: Thanks. Do you think it's worth recording these or should I just use it in the future? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:58, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Nearly all discussions should be recorded. You can fix the ones you removed manually. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 02:05, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Category:no:Earlier municipalities in Norway

I don't think there is any module for this, as it was created in 2005. I would like to create new categories for nb and nn as there are more superseded municipalities now with more to come in 2020, but a module is probably needed first. The name is a bit odd though, maybe "Former municipalities in Norway" would be better. DonnanZ (talk) 00:33, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Donnanz: I agree that your proposed name is definitely better but I don't think that we should categorize by present status. A municipality of Norway just is a municipality of Norway in the same way that (e.g.) w:en:Category:Presidents of the United States contains several persons who are not currently president. Do you have examples of other categories here which are by present status? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:53, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, no I don't, and I forgot about your stance on this issue with U.S. counties. I'll have a rethink, possibly end up orphaning this one. DonnanZ (talk) 01:05, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Donnanz: Thanks for reaching out. As another e.g. that I thought of after the last comment, we don't remove a species from a category once it goes extinct. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Heh, I've found plenty of those working my way through Category:etyl cleanup/mul. I see you have deleted the category, I guess that settles that. DonnanZ (talk) 01:16, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Donnanz: Well, don't let me deleting somehow prejudice whether or not it should exist--I can be mistaken! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:20, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

I can live with that. I only discovered it tonight. DonnanZ (talk) 01:30, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Flood flag

Please get one. DTLHS (talk) 20:44, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@DTLHS: Okay. Or I'll just edit very slowly to finish off the task. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:45, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@DTLHS: Gave it to myself, finished the batch job, and then removed it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Didn't work, but thanks. DTLHS (talk) 21:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@DTLHS: My watchlist was flooded with countless edits by Koavf at this time, but I don't think I will get an apology for that. DonnanZ (talk) 19:22, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

@Donnanz: Yes, pardon me. I know that can be a nuisance, even if you agree with the edits. Somehow, the flood flag didn't work when I was mid-editing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:57, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind being flooded out if the edits were reverted using AWB. The whole thing seems to have been done in a rage. DonnanZ (talk) 14:29, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

It was not a rage, no. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:59, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Category:en:United States county index

Why have you undone all my hard work? DonnanZ (talk) 21:36, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@Donnanz: It was recreation of deleted material with no consensus for its creation and in fact, several users said to not structure the category like this. Was there any consensus for this scheme? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I think you should remove that fake heart from your signature. DonnanZ (talk) 15:27, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Where was the consensus to delete this? Category talk:en:United States county index does not exist, and it should exist. This would indicate an RFDO discussion on the matter occurred, and looking on the RFDO page now, there's nothing mentioning the word "county" even. PseudoSkull (talk) 15:39, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Donnanz: Don't post here if that's all you have to say.

@PseudoSkull: It was discussed on several talk pages but not in Wiktionary namespace. This was the recreation of deleted material. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I have the right to complain about a serious breach. Also I think Pseudoskull is right, proper RFD procedures were not used and deliberately bypassed. As an admin I think she has the ability to reverse this, which you have made sure I haven't, another abuse of privilege and an abuse of trust. DonnanZ (talk) 17:55, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Donnanz: Why did you recreate deleted material? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:03, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

No material to my knowledge was ever deleted which needed reinstatement, only harmless categories deleted and reinstated. I don't regard that as a crime, let alone a punishable one. DonnanZ (talk) 18:31, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Donnanz: It's not a crime and you're not being punished. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:35, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/Others#Category:en:United States county index has been started. PseudoSkull (talk) 18:13, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Appendix talk:Place names

When you delete something at RFD, please be sure to actually close it by commenting that it has failed RFD and striking it out. This is good for transparency, especially on closer calls, and is standard practice. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 22:25, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:33, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Better now (the two I just did)? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:22, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes. But had they been normal closures, rather than open-and-close cases, you would want to let it sit for a week before archiving, in case, someone wanted to dispute it. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 00:36, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Emoji

By convention we don't include pictures that are just a picture (e.g. camel) -- only the ones that have a meaning (e.g. painting nails is a passive-aggressive emoticon on Twitter or something). Please discuss before mass-adding. Equinox ◑ 18:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Equinox: Hm. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

ferb latin

here's the ferb latin from phineas and ferb.

list

• ello-herb
• ow-herb re-aerb ou-yerb
• ood-gerb
• eady-rerb to at-eerb?
• es-yerb
• o-nerb
• aybe-merb
• ppendix-aerb: erb-ferb atin-lerb adesh-swerb ist-lerb
• ikitonary-werb
• omputer-cerb
• nake-serb
• erry-cherb
• arwberry-sterb
• oodbye-gerb
• usted-berb
• latypus-perb
• dit-eerb
• eamed-sterb ams-herb
• hoe-serb
• ondon-lerb
• ngland-eerb
• sabella-ierb
• ineas-pherb nd-aerb erb-ferb
• tar-serb vs he-terb roces-ferb of vil-eerb
• ungry-herb et-yerb
• elevision-terb
• ar-cerb
• azzhand-jerb
• ell-smerb
• ovely-lerb
• og-derb
• at-cerb
• ow-cerb
• edgehog-herb
• ineas-pherb
• uford-berb
• apan-jerb
• even-sterb niverse-uerb
• ym-serb ionic-berb itan-terb
• ocko's-rerb odern-merb ife-lerb
• ongebob-sperb uarepants-sqerb
• en-terb enty-twerb
• i'm ack-berb
• orn-herb
• erry-perb the -laytpus-perb
• im-kerb ossible-perb
• emon-lerb
• anilla-verb
• ocolate-cherb
• ina-cherb
• outh-serb orea-kerb
• hy-werb
• isney-derb
• OK KO et's-lerb be eroes-herb
• Onkey-derb ong-kerb
• ac-perb-an-merb
• ne-oerb
• wo-terb
• ree-therb
• ikipedia-werb
• inecraft-merb
• inner-derb
• unch-lerb
• reakfast-berb
• ree-terb
• apcom-cerb
• arvel-merb
• aunch-lerb

so at-wherb do ou-yerb ink-therb of he-terb erb-ferb atin-lerb, that's ferb latin for so what do you think of the ferb latin?

Templates

Where may I find templates for creating new articles? — This unsigned comment was added by ПростаРечь (talk • contribs) at 13:43, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

quip in WT:Feedback

In fairness to you, the quip was far from great and the definition it relies on is clearly racist. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 10:29, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo: Thanks for saying that. I definitely get squeamish when I see what looks like some edgelord posting about how cool a racial slur is. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:40, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

mapuchizar

Thanks for adding in a definition, I totally bageled it!Ndołkah (talk) 07:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ndołkah: This is why it's a collaborative dictionary. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:48, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

i c Ndołkah (talk) 03:31, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Request for adding Traumatology + Injuries to Module:category tree/topic cat/data/Sciences

May I request adding subcategory Traumatology to Module:category tree/topic cat/data/Sciences as a daughter of Category:Pathology and Category:Medicine. It probably should contain as a daughter category Category:Injuries but I'm not sure in which module it should go.

I already raised a discussion in Beer_parlour/2020/February and it seems we currently lack a proper category where we can add types of Physical Trauma and Injuries. The closest one is Pathology which contains tons of other stuff.

Based on the info in Wikipedia, probably:

labels["traumatology"] = {
description = "{{{langname}}} terms used in traumatology, the study of wounds and injuries caused by accidents or violence to a person.",
parents = {"medicine", "pathology"},
}

is a good description for the category. Безименен 00:23, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@Bezimenen:  Done Thanks! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Just a small remark: I made a typo. The field is supposed to be TraumAtology. At first, I gave it as TraumOtology. It needs to be corrected. Sorry for confusing you. Безименен 10:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@Bezimenen: Eevryone maeks mistekas. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 11:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for catching a typo of mine

Thanks Koavf for catching my typo at Wiktionary:Votes/2020-04/Style changes to the criteria for inclusion. As a side note, template do not work in edit summaries. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 02:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@The Editor's Apprentice: So I've found out the hard way. It looks like we've both learned a little something today. Thanks, E. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: Yeah, it seems that way :). An final side note, if you were not already aware, is that the functionality for pinging users in edit summaries by creating their link to their user page does exist. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 06:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@The Editor's Apprentice: Which I knew but decided to get all fancy instead. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: Got it. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 06:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Audio pronunciation files

Just wanted to thank you for adding audio pronunciation files to WOTD entries, and to mention that you don't need to manually add the filenames to {{WOTD}} using the |audio= parameter any more as I updated {{WOTD}} to automatically pick up .mp3 files if they are in the standard format "En-[uk or us]-[entry name].mp3". — SGconlaw (talk) 20:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw: 😍. That's weird because after I uploaded them to Commons I didn't see them just materialize here until I manually inserted en-US-foo.mp3. You're sure that they'll just show up using the magic of MediaWiki? I have a calendar reminder to check the WotD every Sunday to see new ones that don't have audio yet, so I should be able to stay on top of it, at least for US General American accents.—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:48, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

You wouldn't have seen it previously as I only updated {{WOTD}} minutes ago. It should pick up the files automatically from now on provided they are in the standard file naming format mentioned. — SGconlaw (talk) 20:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw: 😍😍😍 Do you know if anyone else is interested in pronunciations? I would love to [hear] Australians, Brits, Indians, Irish, New Zealanders, Nigerians, Singaporeans, etc. all giving their accents. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@Commander Keane has been quite active with Australian pronunciations, but I'm not very sure as to the rest. You could try putting an invitation at the Beer Parlour, or perhaps visit Commons categories like commons:Category:Australian English pronunciation, commons:Category:New Zealand English pronunciation and so on and see which editors have actively been uploading files. — SGconlaw (talk) 21:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I remember Wonderfool recently quit their role as audio uploader (but with WF, one can never really know if they will keep their word). --Nueva normalidad (talk) 08:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Nueva normalidad wahaha! — SGconlaw (talk) 10:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Layout for pronunciation audio files

Hi, there's no need to indent the {{audio}} template in entries using **; one asterisk will do. See "Wiktionary:Pronunciation#Section layout and templates". Thanks! — SGconlaw (talk) 07:33, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Sgconlaw: Thanks for this. I did check WT:NORM but saw nothing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

  FWIW, WT:NORM is more bot-oriented than human-oriented. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 07:36, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

  @Metaknowledge: I've often wondered about WT:NORM. Even though I think I'm generally following the norms, I still get edits marked "WT:NORM" so *shrug*. — SGconlaw (talk) 07:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Are you available to write?

So I got the names of two interesting and dangerous criminals that could use an article, if you can, and if the rules of Wikipedia allow it, could you make an article on them? I have no else to ask, because I know no else apart from FDW777 and he said he wasn't interested. They are Salvatore "Sally Bugs" Briguglio, long time contract killer for the Genovese crime family who was known for being a violent psychopath (https://mafia.wikia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Briguglio link to a Wiki where he has a page if you need info, though I would be careful, as some of the page's content may be completely wrong), and Carmen DiNunzio, a pretty important man in current organized crime and current boss of the Patriarca crime family (once again his page on Mafia Wiki https://mafia.wikia.org/wiki/Carmen_DiNunzio).

Also the Portuguese Monarchist Civil War could be a decent article to write, and no one seems to want, so if you can could you please look into it.

~~Omir Laa~~

@Omir Laa: This is my talk page on Wiktionary, so the posts here should really be about this dictionary/thesaurus project, not Wikipedia. But to answer your question, I'm not really qualified to write on this topic as I'm pretty ignorant and a board like w:en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography or w:en:Wikipedia:Requested articles would probably work better. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:13, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh my God I'm so sorry I didn't know where to post this, I saw someone else do it and I just thought it was accepted. Thanks for the links and once again really sorry.

@Omir Laa: No worries: everyone makes mistakes. You're just trying to make Wikipedia more complete and that's a good thing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Set phrases

Are you sure that a set phrase must necessarily be "for terms that can't be conjugated?" We currently have, for example, know better and need no introduction as set phrases, yet those can likewise be conjugated. Note also that these set phrase labels were added by well-known and established users on the site (Equinox and Pseudoskull respectively). Instead, our glossary says a set phrase is a "a common expression (a phrase) whose wording is not subject to variation, or alternately, whose words cannot be replaced by synonymous words without compromising the meaning." And this is the case for a term like do the right thing. Replacing it with do the correct thing or do the righteous thing would yield a different meaning or a far less common expression. At the least, it would seem that adding a set phrase label is not such an obviously wrong edit that it should be reverted on sight. Imetsia (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

@Imetsia I'm just responding to the text at that category: it explicitly says that this is for terms that can't be conjugated. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:56, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification! Imetsia (talk) 19:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thumbs up emoji. Let me know how else I can help you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:41, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

backararar

What are you doing? Why thank me and then revert my edit?— Pingku^dimmi 05:02, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry. My goof this time. And sorry for being rude.

Actually, I preferred having the wikipedia link. The surname-comma-name format isn't normal, I don't think—but it's a style thing and as far as I know there's no rule about it. I don't know how to get the link working with that format. But then I don't use the template anyway. :)

I'd also prefer it to be clear that the citation is in fact a quotation, and in italics. I would have cited the whole sentence.

Finally, I also think it should be reverted to Proper noun. There's no evidence for a true adjective—this citation certainly isn't it.

Regards — Pingku^dimmi 05:35, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@Pingku: No worries, friend. Wiktionary is better because we all work together. I'm happy to have you fix whatever errors you think I've made in formatting per WT:EL. Also, I hope you don't mind me editing the semantics in your last comment. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Your signature

I absolutely promise this isn't because we just had a little spat on some discussion page (except that that's what caused me to see your sig) but your sig really is very painful on the eye. It looks like an entire hand in poker. Or something that is bleeding. Just an observation. love, Equinox ◑ 10:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh haha I've just realised I complained about the same thing in 2016 on this same talk page. So ignore me. At least it proves it wasn't about this new discussion. Equinox ◑ 10:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@Equinox: I'm not above being called out for bad aesthetics. Love you, too. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

I also find it ugly-distracting, but it's a free country semi-free website. DCDuring (talk) 17:50, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

I love you, too DC. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Why did you delete the Lua Memory Errors Talk Page?

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary_talk:Lua_memory_errors&action=edit&redlink=1 This is the particular talk page I am referring to. I hope it wasn't because you needed more memory, but then again, maybe you forgot about it at this point. Please don't delete the discussion page, I am going to provide you a potential solution for your memory error. I am interested in giving at least a try at solving the problem.

Although I'm not logged in, I would like to identify myself.

Sincerely, John — This unsigned comment was added by 47.20.225.225 (talk) at 13:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC).

Your link doesn't work now that there's a page there. You would want to link to the deletion log entry: [[2]]. I think the deletion was because that user has a history of posting silliness in various places (under a lot of different names). The entire content was in the deletion log, so you can judge for yourself. In this case it looks like a a serious, but unhelpful suggestion: every time someone was able to clear the memory errors on one of the pages mentioned, they would have to remember to change the Lua memory errors page. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Because the page was garbage and was added by a vandal. Nothing of value was lost. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:ne:Vikram Samvat calendar months

Hello, Can I know why you deleted this Category:ne:Vikram Samvat calendar months page? Are those not supposed to be on wiktionary or what? I am new here so just wanted to know to increase my knowledge about Wiktionary. Thanks. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 07:00, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lightbluerain: I'm happy you asked. As you could see, there was no entry for them in any of our modules to make this category a part of our standardized topic categories. It should be added to the module first and ideally have some entries in other languages (especially English) before making the category. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Koavf:, fine but... what are modules anyways? I tried to look about that on Wiktionary but couldn't find anything. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 16:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lightbluerain: There is a module namespace that hosts a variety of Lua code that is used on other pages either to complement or replace our templates. The categories we have for various topics are stored in certain modules so that we can create consistent category systems. For instance, here are data about all our topic categories related to animals: Module:category tree/topic cat/data/Animals. This way, if someone creates (e.g.) Category:ne:Percoid fish, all that person has to do is go to the red link, insert {{auto cat}} and voila, the category is created with standardized language and parent categories in a hierarchy. If you've identified distinct names for a certain calendar system, I think that's great and I'm totally ignorant about this language, so I'll be happy to collaborate with you to find the best way to include it in our topic categories. Do you by chance have entries from other languages (especially English) or only Nepali? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

entries from other languages (especially English) or only Nepali? are you asking this for Category:ne:Vikram Samvat calendar months? And, btw, now I understood it somewhat, I think doing it with the Module method would be better. It can help in structurizing things here. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 16:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lightbluerain: It's nice if you can add cognate terms in different languages but if all you have is Nepali terms, that is totally valid. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 19:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Category:Spanish terms with initial /ˈɲ/

This category is improperly named; it should not include the primary stress mark. But the entire idea of the category seems quite silly to me — you could just navigate to the ñ section in Category:Spanish lemmas. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to interject, but the ñ links on that category don't even work: e.g. [3]. 70.175.192.217 20:37, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Don't be sorry, I hadn't noticed that. Unfortunately, I don't know how to diagnose that problem; perhaps @Surjection will know. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 21:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

The Spanish sortkey is set up to convert ñ's to n's. The alternative would be to have them come last after all of the other letters. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 21:12, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to be the standard for Spanish alphabetical sorting:

"When acute accent and diaeresis marks are used on vowels (⟨á⟩, ⟨é⟩, ⟨í⟩, ⟨ó⟩, ⟨ú⟩, ⟨ý⟩ and ⟨ü⟩) they are considered variants of the plain vowel letters, but ⟨ñ⟩ is considered a separate letter from ⟨n⟩. This makes a difference when sorting alphabetically: ⟨ñ⟩ appears in dictionaries after ⟨n⟩. For example, in a Spanish dictionary piñata comes after pinza."

from [4]. What about converting "ñ" to "n~", which would sort after "n" but before any other letter? 70.175.192.217 21:20, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, I've added it - let's see if that does the trick — surjection ⟨??⟩ 21:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Seems to work: [5], but I had to purge the cache manually on those pages. 70.175.192.217 02:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Surjection, 70.175.192.217: It works for these leading enyes but look at (e.g.): https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Spanish_lemmas&from=pinu I would expect piñata to be here but it's not. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:10, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I just null-edited the page and now it's there, after pinzón vulgar and before Pío. Isn't that where it should be? 70.175.192.217 03:15, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh wow. Boss! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: <N> and <ñ> aren't sorted as separate letters because we don't yet have the capability to change sorting in categories by language. This was (as I recall), the most highly-requested feature for devs to add last year but I think it's a very hard problem to solve for them. So in the meantime, they are all lumped together as <n>. I think it's worth listing lemmas that begin with enye, so if you think it should be an appendix, that's fine with me. If I were to fix the title, should it be "Category:Spanish terms with initial /ɲ/"? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

As seen above, what you said isn't true — we do have the capability, it was just implemented incorrectly (and then Surjection fixed it). So why would we want to keep this category? —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how it was fixed, it seems to be a kludge that may not work across the entire dictionary, and definitely doesn't resolve the other myriad problems of not being able to alphabetize based on all scripts for all languages. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Surjection: Can this module sort all instances from all languages in all categories? Have you resolved this issue entirely (cf. m:Community Wishlist Survey 2017/Wiktionary/Context-dependent sort key and m:Community Wishlist Survey 2020/Wiktionary/Context-dependent sort key/phab:T183747)? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:31, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

This isn't something that Surjection just dreamed up- it's been around since the early days of our module infrastructure. It obviously only applies to categories generated by modules, and it requires parameters to be added to the data modules for all language codes that need custom sort orders. Given that the lemma and non-lemma categories are all generated via Module:headword, though, it covers a lot more than any other method. I doubt we have IPA data for even a fraction of those entries. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:31, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hm, so the problem still exists at the MediaWiki level. Thanks. (And thanks to Surjection for the hack--worked well.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

So, back to the original question: why would we want to keep this category? —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 16:01, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Because it's notably rare for a term to start with enye, just like how it's rare to use k or w. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Those are about orthography, not phonology. Secondly, those are not collated already by a category. Why should we have a manual category that repeats this information? —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 18:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@metaknowledge: It seems like you're saying that we should delete this starts-with-enye category (whether or not it's about the phonological sound or the orthographic quirk). Is that correct? Do you think we should keep the spelled-with-k one but delete the starts-with-enye one? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I think it should be deleted. I came to you in case I had missed some reason why it shouldn't be, which happily allowed us to fix the issue the IP noticed above. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Do you think we should keep the spelled-with-k one? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes. I already told you why those are different: "Those are about orthography, not phonology. Secondly, those are not collated already by a category." —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 03:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Two things can be different but both worthy of being deleted. I'm simply asking if you think including <k> is different from starting with starting with <ñ>. Correct me if I'm wrong but you didn't answer that question previously. I'm happy to delete it if you think it's worth begin deleted. I'd like to have an appendix item for it still. Do you have any perspective on that? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:33, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I think an appendix is unnecessary, as it remains redundant to the lemma category, but I wouldn't bother actively opposing it. The advantage of appendices is that they require much less upkeep. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 03:36, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Sounds good. This was made by me recently, no one else has used it, and it seems unnecessary now (at the very least). So I'll delete it. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:39, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. In the future, please consider discussing a nonstandard category before creating it. We use them very sparingly, and all this could have been avoided. Additionally, even if this had been worth keeping as a category, your incorrect IPA would mean that it would have to be fixed on all the pages anyway. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 03:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Sure but the fixing would be trivial and could be done in two seconds with Cat-a-Lot. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

The category had the benefit of discoverability, since if you happen to land on one of those pages you could easily find the others. I'm not sure how anyone would find the appendix page (even though it provides the same information). I guess through deliberate searching, or from Category:Spanish appendices, which might be sufficient. 70.175.192.217 04:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Agreed but it's easy to add "See also" and a link. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

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Category:Townships in Italy

Isn't this just a dupe of Category:Towns in Italy? I'm pretty sure both are synonymous. I originally thought they both corresponded to comune, but I see Manarola for example (which is a frazione) listed as a town. I guess it's just an informal label. 70.175.192.217 05:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@70.175.192.217: Looks like it. Grazie! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:07, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

RE: Towns and townships in Italy

English-language sites tend to translate "comune" as either "city", "town", or "township" depending on size. Venice is considered a city, for instance, while Vernazza is a town and Pecsina is a township. This designation seems to be completely arbitrary, though, and it'd arguably be more correct to just have a broader "Comuni in Italy" (or similar) category, especially since the word "comune" is used in English. I certainly wouldn't be against merging Category:Cities in Italy, Category:Towns in Italy, and Category:Townships in Italy, but I feel like that'd require a discussion first. Binarystep (talk) 08:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@Binarystep: Thanks. Let me know if you start a conversation on the topic. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:49, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Brajabuli

Hello, Koavf! I remember you helped me in Category:Mymensingh Division. Here, I face another problem with an entry, namingly অকামিক, which is a “Brajabuli” term (an artificial poetic language from Medieval Bengal; see Brajabuli, not to be confused with Braj Bhasha). This arficial literary language has no ISO code assignation for which I want to enter it as Bengali lemma where I need to create an individual category, Category:Bengali Brajabuli terms as a subcategory of Category:Bengali archaic terms. I may need to add a parameter in T:label, too. But before I move on to realise all these, I seek your valuable directive. Best regards Meghmollar2017 (talk) 09:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Meghmollar2017: I have actually had trouble adding these kinds of dialects/variations before myself. I'd recommend posting to the Grease pit. At the very least, you can subcategorize this by hand without using the modules and templates, but the latter method is definitely preferred. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Koavf, for your opinion. I have posted on WT:Grease pit as you mentioned. Now, let's see what other people say. Meghmollar2017 (talk) 13:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Special:Diff/66105462 in Villnöß

What is the basis for this and similar changes? They are Gemeinden (“municipalities”) as per the official document: [6] (see also [7]) Sometimes, Gemeinden are named after the Ortschaft therein, in which case you should denote them as both in {{place}}, but in this specific case Villnöß is actually a Gemeinde that comprises multiple Ortschaften (none of which is named Villnöß). Note also that they have a Hauptort per their website [8]; doesn't make much sense to call something that has a Hauptort a town then, right? The important difference is that municipalities totally partition their parent province whereas towns of course do not. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 23:11, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Fytcha: If you want to add these as administrative units, then I entirely support that, but they don't exist in any module yet. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The modules not supporting something doesn't justify removing correct and adding false information to the articles. As far as I can tell, everything was perfectly fine in that article prior to your change. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 08:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

What is false? Is it not a town? It has a population of under 3,000. If anything, it lacked that category, so it was incomplete. I'm not stopping anyone from making the administrative division category and hierarchy and if someone does, he can add in that it is both a unit of government (commune or municipality) and due to its size and town (or village). These things are both true. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Did you not read my first message? I explained pretty thoroughly why it isn't a town or village. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 14:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I did read it. I don't see you writing, "this cannot be a town because..." "Town" and "village" are just designations based on population. "Commune" and "arrondisment" and "federal district" and multitudinous others are political administrative divisions. One term can refer to both. How is it that this commune is not or cannot be a town or village, considering that it is a municipal unit with a small population? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The official website calls Villnöß a Gemeinde (“municipality”), multiple other sources call it a Tal (“valley”) ([9]), both of which are areal labels. Nothing I've seen calls it (the German equivalent of) town or village, which is why I've asked you from the get-go what your basis for changing this is. I don't have to prove why it cannot be a town (though I've done that as well actually, see the sentence starting with "Note also"), the onus is on you to prove it is a town. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 15:03, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Which I have done. Have you read my comments? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

You haven't posted a single source since the start of this conversation. If your statement with "It has a population of under 3,000." was supposed to be your proof: Not every area with a population below a given threshold constitutes a town, unless you want to claim the whole of Antarctica is a town too because it is an area with a couple of thousand inhabitants. A town, like a city, is a concentrated settlement. Villnöß is an administrative division that merely contains concentrated settlements (even a chief town). — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 15:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't recall you asking for sources and your claim about Antarctica is silly: I obviously wasn't referring to the Moon or the Marianas Trench or Ganymede. I don't think you're being constructive. What is your proposal? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Nothing about it is silly. If you're making the argument that any x with property y is a town, then naming something that fits your criteria but obviously isn't a town is an apt rebuttal (w:reductio ad absurdum). My proposal is (and has been since the beginning) to follow the official documents, which clearly call Villnöß a Gemeinde (“municipality”). If you additionally want to label/categorize it as a town, you're free to do so after providing the necessary references. This is my last response to you in this thread. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 15:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

If it was somehow unclear that I wasn't referring to Alpha Centauri as a town because its population is small, then there is clearly some miscommunication going on here. If you somehow legitimately don't know that, then I'll bear that in mind for future conversations. It seems like you're not interested in me doing this work, so I'll leave it up to you to do. Let me know if you need help. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Plea

Please, don't remove content from other users' pages without their permission. Sic dixi REX CAERULUS 11:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Nichérix: I usually don't, but why would we leave redlink categories on their userpages? It clogs up reporting with irrelevant noise. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

チルい

Hello, Kovaf. You asked, "Why did you choose this date? The entry was made 2021-12-21 and the citation is from 2021-12-10..." I changed 12-21 to 12-16 because I added a quotation from 12-16. But since there is a reference from 12-10, that date is even better. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 02:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cnilep: Brilliant. Domo arigato, friend. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:55, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Shumkichi's block

Why did you ban Shumkichi? Vininn126 (talk) 14:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@Vininn126: The user has posted some inappropriate content and I'm hoping that it's because the account was hacked. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:19, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I see something was hidden on their talk page... Vininn126 (talk) 14:24, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Affix ids

Why did you revert Jberkel here (1, 2, 3)? Classifying affixes by their senses is common practice on Wiktionary, see e.g. -er. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:22, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Fytcha: The category was a redlink and not part of the structure. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:24, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Wrong, affix categories with sense ids are automatically placed within the corresponding id-less affix category. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:26, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Fytcha: "wrong"? No, I am correct: the category was a redlink. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

"The category was a redlink": Doesn't matter, this has never been a reason for removing correct information.

"and not part of the structure": Wrong. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Fytcha: What information is not there now that was there before? Can you give me an example of a similar category to "Mc- (derogatory)"? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:55, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Again: see -er (Category:English words suffixed with -er). — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 17:00, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Fytcha: That is not a category. Please give me an example of a category in the style of Category:English words prefixed with Mc- (derogatory). You claim that these id-added contextual categories exist. I am looking for more examples. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:03, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

It might be useful to skip the id-categorization for some entries, I opened a discussion here: Module talk:compound#Don't put ids into generated categories. Removing |id= just because the category does not exist is a bad workaround. It serves a purpose. –Jberkel 17:53, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jberkel: There is also nocat=1, but that removes it from all categories. I am fine with including the information: it's still there. What is the problem with the rev as it stands now? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:54, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

It's no longer linking to the specific sense (Mc-). – Jberkel 17:57, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Why not just create the ID-specific category with {{auto cat}}? There are already categories like that (see the subcategories of Category:English words suffixed with -er, as Fytcha noted) and they don't seem to hurt. If you're looking for words with a specific sense of an affix, it can be useful. For example, if you want words where -en means "made of", you can look at Category:English words suffixed with -en (made of), and for verbs where it forms the inchoative aspect you can consult Category:English words suffixed with -en (inchoative). My understanding is that such categories are automatically created by a bot eventually anyway, so the red link is not much of an issue. 70.172.194.25 18:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I noticed that the entries will then be removed from the id-less "parent" category (Mc-). – Jberkel 18:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

It would be simple to make it categorize both in the parent and child categories, if desired. But it's a subcategory anyway. It would also be easy to make a noidcat=1 argument if there are cases where it's not necessary (I saw the thread on Module talk:compound). 70.172.194.25 18:21, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

To make it double categorize: [10]. I can add the noidcat option later if still desired. Another thought that crossed my mind was that the module should probably throw an error, or at least add a tracking category, if the etymid/senseid doesn't exist. (And maybe there should be a tracking link for senseids in general, so you can see what pages link to a given ID. As far as I know Special:WhatLinksHere does not support #anchors, e.g. you can't find pages linking to -er#English: Oxford, despite the work done in phab:T103281. But that would be a larger-scale project since it involves modifying multiple templates.) 70.172.194.25 18:37, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Were they categorized as "Category:English words prefixed with Mc- (derogatory)", then they would no longer be categorized as "Category:English words prefixed with Mc-", so someone looking in the latter category would not find them. I think that the solution is to change the module, but I'm happy to have my mind changed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:47, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I provided code to make that exact change. However, as Fytcha noted on the module talk page, the parent category could serve as a cleanup category for entries that need to be sorted, and it's redundant information, so I'm not sure the change is actually good. The code is available, though, should the consensus be to change it. 70.172.194.25 21:12, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good. The category is no longer red, which at least solves that issue. Thanks, as always, 70. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:15, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

no comment

Can you stop stalking and threatening me? Wow, you're really obsessed with me, that's kinda creepy. I'm Polish and European so I've got legitimate reasons to be bigoted towards R*ssians as they are now threatening to bombard my country but you don't care to learn about it. Lemme guess, you're a delusional American PC "leftist" who doesn't understand the situation and is trying to westplain to me how I should feel? Try listening to the voices of the leftists from Eastern and Central Europe because being PC and woke has nothing to do with leftist activism. Also, I suggest you look up the recent statistics about the attitude of "ordinary" Russians towards Putin's imperialist politics - a vast majority of them agree that Putin should invade not only Ukraine but also Central Europe. Bye and stop being creepy, that's really unsettling. Shumkichi (talk) 16:54, 22 March 2022 (UTC) PS. You still haven't explained to me why certain jokes are unacceptable and which ones specifically. Your opinion alone is of no importance to me, lol. It's as arbitrary as my actions, so good luck with trying to come up with a good LOGICAL reason. Shumkichi (talk) 16:54, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Shumkichi: I did not stalk you: issues were raised about your behavior by other parties. Even if I were "stalking" you, it's perfectly acceptable for anyone to watch your user page and see what you choose to write there. I am threatening you with punishment because your behavior contradicts both our draft proposal Wiktionary:User pages and the non-negotiable Universal Code of Conduct. It's not acceptable to use ethnic slurs or to tell misogynist jokes on your user page. If you don't want to abide by non-discriminatory rules, then you don't have to participate in making a dictionary here. For that matter, your post here is insulting, so I'm blocking you for a brief period from the site and for a long period from my talk page. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:00, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Shumkichi: Am I allowed to joke as well? Don’t hate Russia, Russia loves Poland. Even if Putin nukes the world, Poland can go to space. ;) ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 14:28, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Minor thing

Hiya - not sure if this was accidental or not, but Shumkichi can now edit their userpage again. I don't know how individual page blocks work, so I'm guessing it could happen if you need to add each one manually when editing it? If it was intentional, feel free to just ignore this - I don't make the rules. Theknightwho (talk) 15:21, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

It was. I didn't want to stop him from ever editing his own userpage, I just want him to not add racist and sexist jokes. Since you requested that he not edit your talk page, then I blocked him from that. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:35, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense. Theknightwho (talk) 10:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Shumkichi's user page

While not questioning any blocks, I think it was wrong to "edit" the page as you did. Either zap the whole thing if it's unacceptable, or let it stand. Otherwise you are putting words into the mouth of somebody. Equinox ◑ 04:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback: that's worth bearing in mind if this sort of thing happens in the future. I hope your advice will be unnecessary. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:17, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Statistics/generated Feb 2022

Hi, You recently edited Wiktionary:Statistics/generated. This page used to be updated monthly by @Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV but they've been inactive recently (I contacted them here). Do you know how to update the data? A455bcd9 (talk) 09:52, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I was going to ask how frequently is this “list” updated? Meghmollar2017 (talk) 10:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Updated monthly since April 2010: history

First by @Conrad.Irwin. Also poke @-sche who edited the page a long time ago and may have a clue about how to update it... A455bcd9 (talk) 13:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

(FWI: I asked the French Wiktionary how they generate their stats...) A455bcd9 (talk) 13:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@A455bcd9: I only did some administrative updates, as you can see. I suspect it is made with a download of the site and then analyzed locally by seeing how many entries have certain headers with a bot, and then output it into CSV or something. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes that's what I assume as well. But how can we find the code that was run to run it in the absence of Ungoliant? A455bcd9 (talk) 17:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@A455bcd9: I'd post at the Grease Pit. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Done: Wiktionary:Grease_pit/2022/March#Update_Wiktionary:Statistics A455bcd9 (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2022 (UTC)