User talk:TheSilverWolf98

Welcome, and a note

Hey, welcome to Wiktionary and thanks for all the work you've been doing so far! Just a minor note: the {{etyl}} template has been superseded, we use {{der}} to generically show derivation, {{inh}} in case of directly inherited forms and {{bor}} for borrowings now instead of the etyl template. E.g. see this diff. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 12:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Mnemosientje, thanks for the message - as you can probably see, I'm still very new at this! Thanks very much for making me aware of this though and I'll use the new template from now on. Just a quick question though, how am I to distinguish between derivation and inheritance? Is there a major difference between the two?
  • The documentation page over at {{inherited}} explains the specific use cases in detail. Generally speaking, you can't go wrong with the "derived" template, which is used generically in much the same way as "etyl" used to be. "Inherited" is used specifically when a word is descended directly from a word in the "mother language", so angel is "derived" - not "inherited" - from Ancient Greek ἄγγελος (ángelos), but it is considered to be "inherited" from Middle English engel. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 16:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
    • Mnemosientje right, I understand. Thanks for explaining that to me. Much appreciated.

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Proto-Germanic categories

If you want to add these, please use {{topics}}. —Rua (mew) 12:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

• Rua ahhh okay - thanks for letting me know. :)

Please stop adding Proto-Brythonic conjugation tables without parameters.

Also please go through your edits and add parameters to all the tables you've added. Thanks! —*i̯óh₁nC^[5] 04:15, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

• *i̯óh₁nC - What do you mean by parameters? Do you mean the parts of the verbs added after the conjugation template number? If so, I'm already working through that.

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Just coming by to wish you a welcomeǃ Leornendeealdenglisc (talk) 07:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Álgu

Just so you know, none of the Álgu codes you added were correct. They led to either the wrong entry, or to a nonexistent entry. —Rua (mew) 18:54, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

• Rua Hi Rua, that's strange - I was entering the Algu code from the bottom of the page? Is this not the right one? TheSilverWolf98 (talk) 23:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

I think you were using the codes from the "word family" pages, the ones with the yellow background. The {{R:Álgu}} template only works with the "word" pages, with grey background. The family pages have "sanue" in the URL, the word pages have "lekseemi". —Rua (mew) 10:16, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I've added some documentation to {{R:Álgu}} to prevent this kind of confusion from happening in the future. —Rua (mew) 10:25, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Rua Ah, understood - thanks very much for explaining that to me. :) TheSilverWolf98 (talk) 22:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Some changes I made to your entries

Please have a look at diff. I made some changes to this and other entries you created, notably:

• Added {{reconstructed}} at the top. All reconstructed entries must have this.
• Placed the reference to Aikio in an inline "ref" tag, and used "references" at the bottom. This way, it's clear what part of the page is being referenced.
• Changed the palatalisation symbol in Skolt Sami to ʹ, which is the symbol used in modern Skolt Sami orthography, as recommended by "A Grammar of Skolt Saami" by Timothy Feist.
• Changed the spellings of Ume and Pite Sami to the modern orthography. Álgu (and perhaps others) present terms in these languages in an older orthography, which Wiktionary doesn't use. For modern Pite Sami, you can use [1]. For Ume Sami I follow the standard detailed in "Umesamisk ortografi". If you are unsure about the spellings, leave it empty and show the spelling you found with tr=, like so: {{l|sje||tr=put it here}}.
• Changed Further reading to a level 4 heading, nested under the main part of speech. This change isn't strictly necessary, but I found that this makes more sense in cases where there are multiple entries on the same page (this happens more often with attested Sami languages than with Proto-Samic). The level 4 nesting allows you to show which of the entries on the page the section belongs to.

—Rua (mew) 13:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Could you pay more attention to adding {{reconstructed}}? —Rua (mew) 12:19, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

хэду(н)

I'm going to hazard a guess that this word is not usually written with parentheses... @Crom daba —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 05:34, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Indeed it isn't, the parenthetical n is written in dictionaries because it reappears in inflection. Crom daba (talk) 14:03, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

It should be at хэду, how do we handle moves into already existing pages? Crom daba (talk) 14:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Just copy-paste the content and attribute the source in the edit summary. I'll do this one. SilverWolf, if you're not able to determine what page these entries should be on, you shouldn't be creating them in the first place. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:09, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Thompson

Hi there. We don't seem to have an entry for the Thompson language yet. Feel free to add one. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:30, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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salaja

I'd like to let you know that I deleted the references (3 pcs) you had made of "salaja" being a dialectal form of salava (“crack willow”). I could not find any supporting evidence and actually found some evidence against it. If you can provide a reference that supports its inclusion, feel welcome to re-enter. --Hekaheka (talk) 12:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hekaheka SSA does list it as a form: "salava 'piilipuu...'... salahva (1833) 'piilipuu', salaja (1889) 'raita'". — surjection ⟨??⟩ 10:48, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Surjection I guess I can revert my edits then. --Hekaheka (talk) 14:50, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

BTW, what is SSA? --Hekaheka (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Suomen sanojen alkuperä. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 00:18, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Can you help editing Wikimedia Incubator programs in Tungusic languages?

I started the programs of Manchu Wikinews/Even Wikivoyage, Even Wiktionary/Even Wikibooks, Evenki Wiktionary/Evenki Wikibooks, Oroqen Wiktionary/Oroqen Wiktionary/Oroqen Wikibooks, Negidal Wiktionary/Negidal Wiktionary/Negidal Wikibooks, Udege Wiktionary/Udege Wikibooks, Oroch Wiktionary/Oroch Wiktionary/Oroch Wikibooks, Nanai Wiktionary/Nanai Wikibooks, Ulch Wiktionary/Ulch Wiktionary/Ulch Wikibooks, Orok Wiktionary/Orok Wikibooks on 14th July, 2020. If you know at least one of these Tungusic languages, can you help editing? (talk) 11:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

χ instead of x̌ in Okanagan and Columbia-Wenatchi

Hi. It’s not clear why the Okanagan or Columbia-Wenatchi entries use χ instead of x̌ when x̌ is used in the reference indicated in the articles. Why did you use χ instead of x̌ ? --Moyogo (talk) 12:13, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

c in Basque

I found this diff where you changed k to c, saying it was to bring the word in line with others. However we use the k spelling elsewhere, and it seems that in a few words a capital C stands not for /k/ but for an unknown consonant that disappeared later on. Would you be willing to have this word and others with c moved back to the k spelling that aligns with the modern spelling of Basque? Thanks, —Soap— 10:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, sure, go ahead. I've not worked on Basque for a LONG time, and was a bit of a noob still. TheSilverWolf98 (talk) 07:06, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Western-Mari

I recently noticed the Western-Mari entry тумна that you created. I have not been able to find the word in the Western-Mari dictionaries that I use (Savatkova 2008 and Belyaev 1944). What source have you used for this lemma? Thanks in advance for your answer. Илья А. Латушкин (talk) 10:04, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, yes, the days of not citing my sources.

Chances are I took this from the freely available online papers of Dr Ante Aikio, or Dr Mikhail Zhivlov. Both of whom are active on Academia.org.

They are my main sources for Mari etymology. Both are prominent Uralicists. The work of Christopher Culver is also a potential source. It will take me a little while to go through and check their papers for this word, but it'll be in there somewhere. TheSilverWolf98 (talk) 14:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply! @Stríðsdrengur already noted that тумна appears to be the possessive form of the first person plural of тум, which seems to be the correct translation of 'oak' in Western-Mari. I checked some other sources for the word тумна, but I couldn't find it anywhere. (A. Aikio 2014: On the Reconstruction of Proto-Mari Vocalism, A. Aikio 2014: Studies in Uralic Etymology III: Mari Etymologies and M. Zhivlov 2014: Studies in Uralic Vocalism III). Илья А. Латушкин (talk) 14:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I want to intervene to include Eastern Mari too Stríðsdrengur (talk) 14:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@TheSilverWolf98 Where did you get it? чӱгындыр Stríðsdrengur (talk) 12:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@TheSilverWolf98 Stríðsdrengur (talk) 13:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)