User talk:Wjcd~enwiktionary

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Again, welcome! Mglovesfun (talk) 10:56, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Chinese

Hi. Please read Wiktionary:About Chinese for our guidelines on Chinese entries. Specifically, we don't use ==Chinese== language header anymore, but ==Mandarin==, ==Min Nan== etc. Feel free to ask any of our Chinese regulars (e.g. Tooironic, Atitarev, Jamesjiao) for help. --Ivan Štambuk 12:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I refuse to abide by that guideline, on the grounds that the "concensus" on which the mentioned guideline is based is not appropriate. Splitting Chinese into Einzelsprachen appears to be more misleading (leading to assumptions that those lexicons are exclusively Mandarin) and will make editing exponentially laborious if Wiktionary is to become a comprehensive multilingual dictionary. Editors at Chinese, Japanese and Korean Wiktionaries adopt the practice of amalgamating varieties of Chinese under one heading as they are more familiar with the language and the actual dissimiliarities across varieties, and editors here will definitely, sooner or later, regret having established and adopted such guidelines. Wjcd 12:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

We split even more similar languages than Chinese varieties. At any case, if you have problems with that guideline, feel free to bring your arguments to a wider audience at the Beer Parlor or the respective talkpage. Simply ignoring the guideline will likely result in your block. See also old discussions such as this one. "Consensus" really means "consensus among veteran editors"; this is not a democracy. What Japanese, Korean and Chinese Wiktionaries practise is irrelevant. --Ivan Štambuk 13:21, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

People are misguided by the wrong statistics of lexical dissimilarities cited there - that's why I said the concensus is inappropriate. After all, Wiktionary aims to be a dictionary not a speech recorder or learner's book, and colloquial speech which is probably the source of the concluded lexical dissimilarities would of course be expected to be highly different; these are often the most diverging part of the lexicons. If a Chinese-English dictionary is expected to be heaving with words like "I, you, is, this, here, sleep", then I would support the splitting. Making the amalgamation would do more harm. But that's not the reality for an actual dictionary, especially for a dictionary that aims to be comprehensive. Wjcd 22:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a Chinese contributor, I'm just passing the message. Your ==Chinese== headers will be reported in cleanup lists generated by bots, and someone else will irreversibly reformat them to ==Mandarin==, ==Min Nan== or whatever. If you think that that guideline needs another discussion resulting in a reversal to previous unified treatment of Chinese, feel free to give it a go at one of the venues I mentioned above. --Ivan Štambuk 23:13, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I have no interest whatsoever in being involved in those lengthy, fruitless discussions. If these contributions irreversibly lead to the likelihood of an imminent blocking, as rules here are stringent and Wiktionarians too narrow-minded to accept anything else, well I would rather not bother in the first place. Wjcd 04:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Wjcd, discussion on those pages is not fruitless, since you might find consenters and jointly initiate a vote which would modify the rules. Rules here are emendable, albeit stringent. My humble opinion is that the practice of Japanese and Chinese wiktionaries is justified, but if you want it implemented here, a consensus is a sine qua non. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 10:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions; you obviously have great knowledge and we are glad to have you here. There were very extensive discussions leading to the consensus about the use of separate headers for Sinitic languages (some of which have their own grammar and vocabulary). Personally I thought they should be grouped together under "Chinese" with subheaders for (Standard) Mandarin, Cantonese, Min Nan, etc., but that wasn't how it worked out. The essence is that Standard Mandarin is often quite different in grammar and vocabulary from the other Chinese languages/dialects, so each should have its own header, including the pronunciation, usage, etc. 71.66.97.228 06:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

One hour block for this reason. Only an hour because I don't believe you intended to vandalize. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Whether I know what Mandarin is is irrelevant. You're even using the code {{cmn}} in the entries. I didn't create this policy on Chinese but I do enforce it because it exists. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:41, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Babel box

Would you add a Babel box to your user page, using {{Babel}}? --Dan Polansky 13:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Poll on formatting of etymologies

I would like to know your preference as regards the use of "<" vs "from" in the formatting of etymologies in Wiktionary, whatever that preference is. Even explicit statement of indifference would be nice. You can state your preference in the currently running poll: WT:BP#Poll: Etymology and the use of less-than symbol. I am sending you this notification, as you took part on some of the recent votes, so chances are you could be interested in the poll. The poll benefits from having as many participants as possible, to be as representative as possible. Feel free to ignore this notification. --Dan Polansky 10:54, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

漢越, et al

Please remember to check the part of speech header (Noun, Adjective, Verb, etc) before creating your entries. Thank you. ---> Tooironic 00:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Plurals of Mandarin

Please note that Mandarin has no plural forms, and please do not add an "s" after a Chinese noun, as opposed to what you have done at diff. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:39, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed

Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Wjcd. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Wjcd~enwiktionary that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours,
Keegan Peterzell
Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation

00:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed

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07:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)