User talk:Wikitiki89/2013

קניש

What the hell happened with {{yi-noun}} here??? —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Fixed it. You used tr= instead of pl=. --WikiTiki89 19:53, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm an idiot. (BTW, would you mind fixing the Hebrew section on that page while you're at it?) —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:57, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

фишка

I'd like to create an entry for фишка, could you give me a list of English definitions (translations), please? I don't like dictionary definitions I have found. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:41, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

The only thing I can think of in the general case is piece or playing piece. Yandex lists counter, chip, token, marker, and peg, all of which I think are fine but only apply in specific types of games (it also lists fish and dib, but I think those are too rare in English to be worth including, although fish is related etymologically to фишка, coming into English from French fiche). --WikiTiki89 05:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Спасибо. Сделаю позже. Присоединяйся к усилиям по увеличению и улучшению объёма русских статей в Викисловаре! Это не сложно, но интересно. Проблемы бывают с выбором шаблонов, но я ищу для этого слово того же типа склонения. Для глаголов у нас нет хороших и удобных шаблонов, поэтому это самая кропотливая и неприятная часть, где нужно вставлять формы вручную, поэтому у нас мало русских глаголов. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Да, я по-этому и не люблю добавлять русские слова. Но буду стараться! --WikiTiki89 06:04, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Если добавлять склонение и спряжение слишком скучно, можешь работать без них, но оставляй {{attention|ru}}. Главное, чтоб была правильная семантика и другая инфомация! --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 10:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

русские статьи

Привет,

Не хочешь ли попробовать силы в Category:Russian_terms_needing_attention? Наречия довольно просты, имена существительные и прилагательные сложнее. Мой приём - использовать подобные слова и заменять параметры в шаблоне. Например, платок, шнурок и курок одинаково склоняются. То же самое с экономический и политический. Этот словарь поможет в выборе переводов с русского или английского. Глаголы - самые сложные, можно оставить "на потом". --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:07, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Я счас занят учебой, но когда будет время, буду помогать. --WikiTiki89 02:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Удачи в учёбе! Да, хотя мы часто говорим "счас" (то есть "щас" или "сича́с"), писать надо "сейчас" :) --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:56, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Я всегда забываю что так редко пишут. --WikiTiki89 03:20, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

В зависимости от браузера, ты можешь установить программку проверки орфографии для русского языка, я пользуюсь Файрфоксом, для него есть очень удобные плагины, которые выделяют подозрительно написанные слова. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 03:40, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Homophones

I've never been near to Boston, so I was wondering if got and gut are genuine homophones there. More generally, is it beneficial to Wiktionary to include every regional variation? We could end up with thousands! Perhaps we should have a separate regional pronunciation page? Dbfirs 13:38, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they can be genuine homophones. By most "more traditional" speakers, got is usually, but not always, pronounced gut, even when stressed. I have no clue what the frequency of either variation is. This is not the only case where /ɒ/ becomes /ʌ/, but I do not know what the pattern is. For example, popcorn and hotdog are usually pronounced pupcorn and hutdog, while pop and hot are usually not pronounced pup and hut. As far as I can tell, it seems to only occur before voiceless stops (and their allophones, thus gotta can be pronounced [ˈɡʌɾə]): most often before a /t/ and sometimes before a /p/.

Disclaimer: I have never read this anywhere, this information is purely from my own experience.

As for whether we should indicate all regional variation, I don't know. Perhaps the Beer Parlour can decide that.

--WikiTiki89 20:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

English palindromes?

Hi,

For some reason your user page appears in Category:English_palindromes, and I don't think it should... Can you help prevent that?

לאף טוף (talk) 19:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

In fact, User:Wikitiki89/a and User:Wikitiki89/subst:a have a lot of inappropriate categories due to template calls that need to be removed. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I can delete those pages. They were kindof a failed attempt to see what would happen if you subst every template at [[a]]. --WikiTiki89 16:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Hebrew script and Jewish Babylonian Aramaic

Hi Wikitiki89, I am collecting a lot of translations of the word "water" on the French Wiktionary. I found the one in Jewish Babylonian Aramaic within that book. Yet I do not know the Hebrew script and I do not knwo any person who knows it on the french Wiktionary. So I am requiring your help :). I found that the word looks like מיא but I am not completely sure. So could you confirm that water is מיא and if not could you give me the correct spelling? Thanks in advance. Pamputt (talk) 00:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes that is the correct spelling. If you want to include the vocalization, it would be מַיָּא. I also checked and your Hebrew and Yiddish translations are also correct. --WikiTiki89 01:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

You can get many translations from water#Translations. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks you for the confirmations. Concerning water#Translations, I started my "project" by taking the translation that you point out and I created the corresponding articles. The main problem of the translations indicated in water#Translations is that they are not sourced. On french Wiktionary, I indicate systematically the source especially for the "exotic" languages. Pamputt (talk) 03:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Yiddish and Lua

Good to see you're back. I was wondering if you're interested in switching over the Yiddish templates to Lua. The main attractions would be:

• Automatic transliteration (in Module:yi-translit) could do non-Hebraic words
• Conjugation and declension could be automatic (no parameters)
• I think we already have a function somewhere (probably Module:he-utilities) that converts finals forms to medials
• I think we can't currently handle separable verbs, but there's a neat way to do it. I like how CodeCat did {{af-verb}}/Module:af-headword, you could probably copy that.

I probably would be of little use, but glad to help if I can, maybe by bot-converting the entries to the new templates. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:28, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

For the prefixes and separable parts you can also look at the Dutch verb inflection tables, which the Afrikaans templates were based on. Module:nl-verb first conjugates the base verb, then adds any prefixes or separable parts later. This ensures that all verbs derived from the base verb are automatically conjugated the same way, even if it's irregular. It also keeps the two stages separate which matches how it's done in the grammar itself. —CodeCat 02:43, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I can certainly do all that. However, I am currently working on the Hebrew verb conjugator, which as anyone who knows anything about Hebrew knows is pretty complicated. I would like to at least finish the regular Hebrew verbs before getting started on Yiddish. --WikiTiki89 03:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

• Any headway on this? (Sorry to sound pushy, but I was singing Hanukkah songs in Yiddish today and now I'm all excited again.) —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:28, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

  I'll get back to it soon. It's one of those things that I can't work on for too long in one sitting. --WikiTiki89 01:00, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

siora

Hi, I think this your edit is an error, because Venetian and Italian are different tongues (and anyway in signora there is no etymology). --Tn4196 (talk) 17:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

That's why it says "compare". If you want to add a more detailed etymology then do so, but delete what's already there just to point to a different word. --WikiTiki89 17:31, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Here, now there's everything and more. --Tn4196 (talk) 17:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Judeo-Arabic

I just want to encourage you to keep producing Judæo‐Arabic entries. It sounds like a very interesting language to me, and I wish that there existed more information available for it. --Æ&Œ (talk) 15:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I want to add more, but it requires time (plus my Arabic is not so great yet). My main source currently is File:Saadia-Tafsir.pdf, which is 1893 printing of a 10th century Judeo-Arabic translation of the Torah (Five Books of Moses). Just a warning if you decide to take a look: this book has a French translation that starts at the beginning of the PDF and goes towards the middle, while the Judeo-Arabic starts at the end of the PDF and goes towards the middle (as is common when a LTR language and a RTL language are included separately in one book). Also, some pages are unfortunately missing. --WikiTiki89 15:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

re

Hi, thanks for populating my "user page" (lol). Well, can you please elaborate on "sherutim"? There is a Yod after the shesh, so why she---? I think the separate entry of the word is right about it being shi---. P.S. Yes we do have a common foe, and that's the individual putting all these Y's. Frankly, this kind of transliteration will make transl. Hebrew look like Polish (bystra, bym, byt... ;)) -andy 77.190.7.81 20:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, there is a yud after the shin, but what matters is the vowel under the shin (which happens to not be written on that page). The vowel there is a tsere, which is pronounced "e". --WikiTiki89 21:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Yea, shin, not shesh. Shesh was the number 6, e.g. in clock time, LOL. I'm a grand-master in confusing things in languages. --- Well I've usually heard it spoken - mahér (quickly) :) - and hence it was not easy to distinguish in that talking speed. So I'd just say you're obviously right here. :) Thanks for the good eyes. -andy 77.190.7.81 21:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

By the way, if you are ever unsure about the vowels, the dictionary at http://www.morfix.co.il/en/ usually has the vowels pretty accurately. --WikiTiki89 23:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Categorisation bug (wrong language in Module:ru-headword)

The bug - Category:Ukrainian verbs needing aspect vs Category:Russian verbs needing aspect is fixed (see diff but it takes time for verbs to change categories. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

There were two bugs. It's good that you fixed that one, but it was also categorized as missing gender even though it's not a noun. --WikiTiki89 02:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not a bug, it's expected. There was some discussion about treating imperfective/perfective forms as gender for technical reasons in translations and some headword modules, so impf or pf are now identical to m, f, n, p, etc. The category name is a bit misleading, so bring it up to CodeCat when she's back. I don't know if she's on a break or has been bullied out. I hope she'll be back. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:49, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. --WikiTiki89 02:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

"Tabs are evil"

First of all, I am a mathematician. You bastard. Second, do you know what is evil? Genocide and slavery. Not indentation.

And on a less serious note. Tabs take less storage space (ha!), and the fancy syntax-highlighting editor here (Ace) has recently switched to using tabs by default. I use tabs exclusively myself, I noticed that User:CodeCat and User:Ruakh switched recently, and the rest do not seem to care. So I assume we are going to adopt them here. Keφr 15:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I didn't say you were a professional computer programmer. Yes tabs take up more storage, and that is why they were originally adopted by programmers rather than spaces back in the Middle Ages. Nowadays, storage is too cheap to worry about saving three bytes per tab. Anyway, I use an external editor (I can't edit large amounts of code without a decent regex-based search-and-replace feature), which converts everything to spaces as soon as I paste it in anyway. --WikiTiki89 16:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

As a computer programmer, you should know that "evil" has a slang meaning (our sense #6). (Also, even for the ordinary sense of evil, "genocide and slavery" are kind of extreme examples. Garden-variety evil is less spectacular.)
I only switched to tabs because the editor makes it very hard to consistently use spaces. I hate it.
By the way, I don't think you should just mindlessly convert spaces to tabs, as you did at Module:he-utilities?diff=23787346. Some of the space-based indentation was there so that table-elements were properly lined up, and they're now no longer properly lined up when you're viewing the module. To get it working with tabs, you have to split everything line-up-able onto its own line.
—Ruakh_TALK 16:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Re Template:la-decl-1&2 bgc

Hi WikiTiki. I've recently added a "SEARCH ALL FORMS" function to {{la-decl-1&2 bgc}}, which you suggested ("Maybe it could create a single link to all the quoted forms separated by ' OR '?") in WT:RFV#auroleus, q.v. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Hobbites Ille

WikiTiki, yesterday you posted over at Metaknowledge's about Hobbitus Ille. As you saw, I am translating LOTR into Latin; however, you should check out the four (three relevant) one-star reviews on Amazon. | Scio (talk) 21:44, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing it up, though- I'll have to look out for more Latin translations of Tolkien's Legendarium.

Yes, I never expected it to be good. I only knew it existed because I saw a facebook post about it when it first came out. Nevertheless, I thought it was worth bringing it up. --WikiTiki89 19:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

It was, and I'm glad you did. If you find anything else of that sort, could you contact me? I would much appreciate it. | Scio (talk) 21:44, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Pronunciation of “Japan”

I still don’t understand what the issue with the pronunciation is, the pronunciation of a /p/ on a stressed syllable in English is [pʰ]. I mean, for the page cat, the pronunciation is shown as:

• (UK) IPA^(key): /kæt/, [kʰæt]
• (US) IPA^(key): /kæt/, [kʰæʔ(t̚)], [kʰeə̯t]

Is the UK pronunciation wrong? I think it’s completely important that the precise pronunciation be shown. 〜britannic124 (talk) 17:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

The problem with precise pronunciations is that they only apply to small regions. For example, where I live (in New England), /kæt/ is realized as [kʲʰæʔ(t̚)] (or [kʲʰæɾ] before a vowel, also note the palatalization of /k/) and /dʒəˈpæn/ as [d͡ʒəˈpʰẽː(ə̯)n]. If you want to go into that kind of detail, then you need to specify which region the transcription applies to. Otherwise the information is not very useful. What you gave for Japan ([d͡ʒəˈpʰæn]) does not actually exist anywhere in the US that I know of (it sounds British to me, actually) and even if it did exist in the US, you would have to say where. The only thing you did to get that transcription is apply the simple rule that /p/ is aspirated before a stressed syllable, while ignoring all other rules. --WikiTiki89 18:14, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Etymology language

What went wrong? Your revert didn't give any information I can use to find the problem, so I can only diagnose it by putting it back again and seeing what the error message was. —CodeCat 19:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Or by using the Preview feature. --WikiTiki89 19:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

You can't preview modules because they don't have anything to display. —CodeCat 19:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Which is why there's a special feature on Modules and Templates that allows you to preview any page using that Module or Template. --WikiTiki89 19:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: your edit summary американский язык жестов

Hi,

Thanks for fixing.

Re: how is anyone supposed to know that? it should say {{attention|needs declension|lang=ru}}. These are general issues with entries attention for ru. I specifically asked Stephen and Ivan to add {{attention}}, so that people could add declension and other things. If you edit a lot of entries, it's hard to make everything perfect or add a text. Also, if everything is OK with entries, just take the tag away after checking, IMHO. Sometimes users just tag suspicious entries. Please double-check your edits, if it's okey, if you have accidentally removed {{attention}} when there were no declension tables. There are not too many outstanding requests, anyway.--Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Well if it said {{attention|needs declension|lang=ru}}, people would be more likely to realize what's wrong and fix it, instead of only a few people (just you and Stephen?), who know what it means. --WikiTiki89 01:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but no one cared for a while and Stephen was mass creating entries using Ruakh (talk • contribs)'s fast entry creation tool and I have explained the situation to Wanjuscha (talk • contribs) who did massive work there as well adding declension/conjugation table. You're in the picture now, so can the request stay for Stephen and Ivan? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

My point is that they could have and should have easily copied and pasted "needs declension" along with the attention template, without doing any extra work. I'll fix the ones I removed and any that I find, but in the future, that's how they should be requested. Better yet, use our dedicated template {{rfinfl|lang=ru}}. --WikiTiki89 01:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Да, ты прав, но привычка — вторая натура, мне требовалось как-то убедить Стива добавлять эти запросы, и чем короче, тем легче. Совершенно случайно начал писать по-английски, без всякой задней мысли :) --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:00, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Не страшно, я английский тоже понимаю. --WikiTiki89 02:02, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

*tanьcь

I also found words danac, danca (Antun Kadčić), dancati, dančati (Marin Držić). For reference Etimologijski rječnik hrvatskoga ili srpskoga jezika Petar Skok, you can found book online [1], [2]. Here he states that etymology is probably from Old German Tanz, tanzen, but the picture isn't clear. Wish you luck ! Duh

bētā

Hi, the transliteration you provided (bētā) contradicts with the IPA transcription in ביתא#Pronunciation and ܒܝܬܐ#Pronunciation. Which one is the correct form? this source says it's baytā. --Z 16:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Most of our Aramaic transliterations and pronunciations are complete crap at the moment, whoever added them was too true to the consonantal letters even when they are matres lectionis. In all of Judeo-Aramaic, Biblical Aramaic, and Classical Syriac (the only ancient dialects that have vowel markings), what was presumably originally "ay" had already become "ē". The -ā suffix (definite article) is written with the letter א/ܐ as a mater lectionis (the letter is normally a glottal stop). This suffix, however, never actually contained a glottal stop. --WikiTiki89 16:15, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually Biblical Aramaic still had "ay" in ביתא. --WikiTiki89 16:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Shouldn't we write that as bēṯā instead?. --Z 16:26, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Possibly, the only problem is that the different dialects of Aramaic differ in the rules of spirantization. In this case, I believe they all spirantize the "t" to "ṯ", so it would not be wrong to indicate it. --WikiTiki89 16:30, 19 December 2013 (UTC)