User talk:RagingPichu

Thanks for ուլ

Hi :) Thanks for trying out stuff on թողուլ and finding the error. Hovsepig (talk) 00:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

glad to help. i might get on the problem in a couple weeks, when i have more time from winter break. RagingPichu (talk) 00:25, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

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This is not correct. Just search անույշ, ույժ, զգույշ, բույժ in any corpus, for example Google Books. Vahag (talk) 07:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I searched them, and the examples mostly appear to be Western Armenian in the reformed orthography—in other words, errors by individuals blindly applying ոյԲ > ույԲ. The rule that in most words -ոյշ, -ոյժ should be pronounced as -ուշ, -ուժ is mentioned in Armenag Yeghiayian's Western Armenian Orthographic, Orthoepic, Stylistic Manual (2022) on page 94 (where he also proscribes these spellings, revealing them to be archaic and illogical). Similarly, Kevork Gulian's Elementary Modern Armenian Grammar (1902) gives the name Անոյշ as Anoush in Latin letters, with no trace of a semivowel. The same rule used to apply in Eastern Armenian as well, but the spellings անուշ, ուժ etc. were accepted earlier than in Western Armenian. Words in -ույշ and -ույժ are in origin spelling pronunciations, similarly to how some people now say ի մի[ջ]ի այլոց instead of ի մի[չ]ի այլոց. RagingPichu (talk) 21:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

It's still not right to say that անոյշ (anoyš) is the traditional orthography spelling of անուշ (anuš). It's like saying հէր (hēr) is the traditional orthography spelling of հայր (hayr). There is no TAO ոյժ > RAO ուժ rule. Vahag (talk) 18:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I think this analogy is better: the word for "soap" used to be աւճար and pronounced as such. In the medieval period the pronunciation shifted to become օճար but the spelling աւճար was kept for hundreds of years; օ for աւ became general only a few centuries after the letter itself entered Armenian. The spelling անոյշ is analogous to աւճար, and անուշ to օճար, with the difference being that անոյշ shifted to անուշ mostly in the 19th and 20th centuries and that some words sporadically acquired a spelling pronunciation.

Anyway, you're right about it not being a traditional orthography version and an alternate spelling instead. However, forms in -ույշ/-ույժ that never acquired the spelling pronunciation in Eastern Armenian should not exist, such as *անույշ. RagingPichu (talk) 23:16, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Parev

Hi its been fun talking. I’m curious if you’re a linguist too? Hovsepig (talk) 21:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

i'm an undergrad so i haven't produced any research, but i am well-read enough (reading literature for the past 7 years) that i have gotten easy As in all my linguistics classes. so an uncredentialed linguist. RagingPichu (talk) 21:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@RagingPichu Oh sweet. I was gonna email you to say hi and ask more 😅 Hovsepig (talk) 22:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)