User talk:Ddpy

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Again, welcome! Mglovesfun (talk) 13:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

zhèngcé

Hi,

It's zhèngcè not zhèngcé. Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 18:55, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. It is a typing error. Ddpy 18:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Derived terms

Hello, thank you for the excellent work you are doing to build the English Wiktionary's Mandarin pinyin. I have one suggestion: usually for derived terms we don't make categories but instead we just have a "Derived terms" (or, for hanzi, "Compounds") section in each entry. That should be easier and less cumbersome. 71.66.97.228 04:27, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. Ddpy 04:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Here's an example: nấm. 71.66.97.228 05:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your example. Ddpy 17:53, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

báiqiējī

Great work on the new entries you've created. However the way you've categorised pinyin entries according to pinyin derivations could get messy in the future, since one pinyin syllable could stand for a number of different Chinese words. Is this a path you really want to go down? We don't split up words into categorised components like that for any other language, unless of course it is acting as an affix. ---> Tooironic 07:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

The easiest, most logical, and most elegant solution would be simply to list, in alphabetical order, all multi-character terms in pinyin spelling derived from, for example, the "white/clear/bright" meaning of the Mandarin syllable "bái" (and there really are a lot of terms derived from this character!), under the "white/clear/bright" definition line of the Mandarin section of the bái entry. 71.66.97.228 08:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Machines

You probably don't want single red links for these like duplicating machine. I assume this should be [[duplicating]] [[machine]]. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:51, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion, maybe this link (duplicating machine) can give more information for users. Ddpy 13:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Wenlin contributions

Hi, I couldn't help but noticing that you have been very busily adding Pinyin entries that appear to come straight from Wenlin Dictionary. I thought I'd post a note to you, because I'm a little concerned about copyright issues. Please read Help:FAQ#Writing definitions. While we are allowed to quote from dictionaries under fair use laws, we could run into problems if we use too much of one source. Again, I don't mean to discourage you. I just don't want us to run afoul of copyright laws. However, I'm not a lawyer. Let me know what you think. Thanks. -- A-cai 15:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your idea. I am changing the pages to let them more different from Wenlin Pinyin dictionary; such as bàohuàjī, BB-jī, bànzhǒng, and bànzhǒngjī. Ddpy 02:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Derived terms 2

I for one do not like the categories you are creating for derived terms. I mean such ones as Category:Mandarin words derived from: yīn (noun), which has one member. The prevalent common practice in Wiktionary is to place derived terms into a section on the entry page, so into yīn#Derived terms. I know the categories you are creating are not your invention, having been started by another Wiktionary user. Nonetheless, I would like you to stop creating these categories. If you wish, we may discuss this in Beer parlour. --Dan Polansky 08:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reminder. I have added lù#Verb, lù#Derived terms, yīn#Affix and yīn#Derived terms now. Ddpy 10:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Category:Mandarin words derived from: yīn (noun) has been moved to Category:Mandarin words derived from: yīn (affix). Ddpy 11:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

As far as I am concerned, Category:Mandarin words derived from: yīn (affix) is no better; "lùyīn" should be placed directly to yīn#Derived_terms. If you keep creating these categories, I will take this to Beer parlour, as I see no other option. --Dan Polansky 11:57, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

The derived terms have been placed there automatically and systematically, why not? Ddpy 14:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

You seem to be saying that you have placed entries into the categories automatically and systematically. But I was not complaining about lack of systematicness; I was complaining about the categories, no matter whether they were created systematically or haphasardly. I understand your question as asking why it is that I dislike these categories and prefer having derived terms in the entries instead. My answer to that question is that, as a user, I do not want to click to another page to find the list of derived terms. Furthermore, I see no advantage to the categories, and doing things using the categories makes things more complex; it is a less minimal solution. Also, the approach with categories dramatically increases the overall number of categories. --Dan Polansky 14:33, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

To place the derived terms systematically is beneficial to users especially for learning Chinese. Though the contributor need to do more work, it is worth to do so. Ddpy 15:33, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Why is it more beneficial to use categories than to place the terms into a derived terms section, such as in cat#Derived_terms? The learner has the list available anyway. Both options can be used systematically. --Dan Polansky 15:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

It is processed automatically but not manually, and more systematically, such as in yīn#Derived terms. Ddpy 16:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand: what and how is it processed more automatically? How is "systematically" not redundant to "automatically"? --Dan Polansky 16:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

It is automatic, because it is processed by software. Ddpy 17:21, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

(unindent) What is processed by software? What do you mean? Do you mean the {{derv}} as in "{{derv|cmn|yīn|yīn (affix)|sound|pos=affix}}" as found in bàopòyīn? --Dan Polansky 17:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Ddpy 17:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I am going to revert your additions of {{derv}} to English entries. This is not a common practice. I oppose this practice of using these categories. I do not have the energy to fight your practice in Chinese entries, but I will try to find some energy to fight it in English entries. --Dan Polansky 17:56, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Warning

Please stop adding categories for derived terms in Mandarin. This is against Wiktionary's practice. Thank you. ---> Tooironic 05:56, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Not sure that this is against Wiktionary's practice, but personally I'm a bit sick of you creating these then nominating them for speedy deletion thereafter. How many times now, more than 100 I suspect. --Mglovesfun (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Because I am improving the categories, such as this. Ddpy 15:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I second Tooironic: please stop adding categories for derived terms in Mandarin. --Dan Polansky 09:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

• This is your last warning. If you continue to add categories for derived terms in Mandarin you will be blocked from editing on Wiktionary. ---> Tooironic 20:48, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

"Not sure that this is against Wiktionary's practice--Mglovesfun (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)" Ddpy 21:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I've blocked you for a week due to your disruptive edits. In the future please stay within Wiktionary's formatting policies. ---> Tooironic 11:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for that, I've changed my mind. I think one week would be too long a block for the edits you have done; 3 days should suffice. But please try to understand that derived terms are not organised like that in Wiktionary and you should follow admins' instructions in the future regarding this. ---> Tooironic 11:33, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I opposed this block; you may not like his/her edits, but that in itself is not a reason to block him/her. --Mglovesfun (talk) 12:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

It's interesting though that after being blocked the user has continued to create more of these controversial categories without even participating in the discussion. Hardly an act of good faith. ---> Tooironic 22:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit summaries

What about putting some summaries on your high-quality edits, sir? Sincerely, --Dan Polansky 09:13, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

WP links

Adding duplicate Wikipedia links is pointless: diff. --Dan Polansky 12:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for let me know the mistake, it has been fixed now. Ddpy 12:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Unblocked

I have unblocked you on the grounds that while {{derv}} is controversial, it's not illegal at least until it fails WT:RFDO. To Tooironic, nothing personal intended. Mglovesfun (talk) 00:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

But don't create obvious duplicate accounts when you're blocked - look at Wonderfool to see why that doesn't work. Mglovesfun (talk) 00:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah fair enough. I regret that decision to block now, it wasn't warranted. I went too far. But definitely {{derv}} needs to be nuked. ---> Tooironic 07:45, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

User:123abc

Are you User:123abc? --Dan Polansky 06:39, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

No, I am not. Ddpy 14:56, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

lěngmiàn, naengmyeon

Hi,

There is much more value in creating Mandarin entries in proper Mandarin script, i.e. Hanzi, not pinyin. Also, if you create entries in Mandarin, please don't link to the English Wikipedia articles. Mandarin has its own Wikipedia and translations from English don't need to have a link to pinyin, which have no value. --Anatoli 02:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

e-xuéxí

If you're going to persist in adding pinyin entries, please at least check they are attestable on Google Books and the like. e-xuéxí has no hits at all, and for that reason I've requested its deletion. [1] ---> Tooironic 01:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:zh:Stars

There is an existing category for Stars (created with the template {{star}}) containing two subcategories (one form sim; the other for tra) which needs to be moved over to cmn:Star. I don't disagree with your changing the category for 勾陈一 to astronomy, but I feel it will need to retain its Stars category as well. I'd appreciate it if you could help with moving the entries in Category:zh:stars over to Category:cmn:stars. Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 11:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Zhīnǚyī

Surprise surprise: yet another of your pinyin entries which can't be attested. [2] When are you gonna just start adding hanzi entries? ---> Tooironic 10:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I have recognised you as User:123abc. I have no doubts. Same symptoms. --Anatoli 12:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I agree. I am reinstating your ban User:123abc. ---> Tooironic 23:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC)