User talk:Coreydragon

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 20:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Haha thanks, although this seems a little silly, as I'm hardly a newcomer --Coreydragon (talk) 20:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

OE verbs

We took out the conjugation information on the headword lines when we added conjugation tables below. So, please don't re-add them. Ƿidsiþ 06:26, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Babel

Hello, and thanks for contributing! Please consider adding a BabelBox to your userpage so we know what languages you're familiar with. Thanks --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 03:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

blond

Please note three things. Two of them you can see in the edit I made to the French section after you: (1) the {{informal}} needs |lang=fr to be listed as French rather than English, and (2) you should always link words in the translation. The third thing is a little more subtle: when you define French blond as blond, you need to link to the English section. You can do this with: [[#English|blond]] when you're on the same page. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:28, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Header levels (alum).

When you nest a pronunciation section inside a numbered etymology section, make sure the header-levels are right:

===Etymology 1===
====Pronunciation====
====Noun====
=====Synonyms=====
====Verb====
=====Derived terms=====
===Etymology 2===
====Pronunciation====
====Noun====

Do you see what I mean?

—Ruakh_TALK 01:28, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

hatan

Thank you for adding the table, but I think it is incomplete. What about the form that is ancestral to modern English hight? —CodeCat 03:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

That is in fact the 1st & 3rd person singular preterite form, hēt, which is also attested as hēht. Coreydragon (talk) 03:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Etymology

Please note that you can't just put any random language codes in {{etyl}}. Put the code of the language being derived from first, and then the one that takes it. See this change. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 03:35, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Formatting

Correctly formatting your entries is really important, as it allows for greater usability and aids in upkeep of the dictionary. Please see the changes I made here. Most important is that you should use templates in your etymologies (and provide the etymon where possible), and that the definition should be linked. Also, French pronunciation is now automatically generated (see {{fr-IPA}}). Thanks. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:35, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Voiced final consonants in German

Please don't add IPA transcriptions like /bəˈtʁuɡ/ for Betrug. Regarding /u/ instead of /uː/, you're technically right, but we always keep the length marks in order not to confuse anyone. Regarding the /ɡ/, you're simply wrong. There is no phonemic word-final voicing in German. The fact that underlying voicing surfaces in inflected forms is a purely grammatical phenomenon, not a phonetic one. Kolmiel (talk) 20:37, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

(I would (quite belatedly) point out that, while Kolmiel is absolutely right that this (i.e. the appearance of /ɡ/ in inflected forms) is not a phonetic phenomenon, *phonetic* bracketting is done with [ ]; / / are *phonemic* brackets. Kolmiel himself admits that the voicing is underlying; phonemic brackets are used for underlying forms. If it would please the community, I can restrict myself to correctly formatted phonetic transcriptions (as I have since been doing, so as neither to arouse ire nor to flout any Wiktionary standard), but /k/ is either sloppy formatting (to be the most generous) or an outright lie.) Coreydragon (talk) 22:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

template:etyl

Hello. Thank you for your work, but could you stop use {{etyl}}? This template has been deprecated and replaced by {{der}}. --Barytonesis (talk) 21:29, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

@Barytonesis: You're right, I forget about {{der}} sometimes (force of habit), but in cases like zeis (or generally with English lemmata where a Middle English etymon is given), where there is more than one form to be given, {{der}} (or indeed {{inh}}, which is what I would have liked to have used in that case) does not provide a way (to my knowledge) to give more than one form. -Coreydragon (talk) 21:55, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

You would use {{der}}/{{inh}} for the first form, and keep {{m}} for the remainder. —Rua (mew) 22:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

@Rua: Noted. Thank you. -Coreydragon (talk) 22:25, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Armenian

I have reverted your edits to Armenian pronunciations, because all of them were wrong. Do you speak Armenian? --Vahag (talk) 16:16, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

IPA cleanup

Thank you for adding IPA for lurker. I noticed it contains, /ɜɹ/, which I don't see in the English pronunciation appendix, so it looks to me like it should be changed to /ɛɹ/? —Darxus (talk) 20:19, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Same for stirrup. Also, I'm working on a table of IPA symbol suggestions. —Darxus (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

No, /ɛɹ/ would not be right: that is the sound as in there or ferry, featuring, underlyingly the /ɛ/ sound as in head followed by r (surfacing as an r-coloured vowel or a centring diphthong followed by r or something along those lines). /ɜ/ is a central vowel, cf. the difference in pronunciation between fair and fur in Received Pronunciation, and notice that they are not homophonous in American English either. If /ɜɹ/ is unacceptable, then ɝ, the phonetic realisation, should be substituted. I feel there is even less argument against /ɜɹ/ in a case such as stirrup, where there is clearly a consonantal r between the syllable nuclei, but it's not for me to decide. Coreydragon (talk) 22:19, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, I updated my suggestion table. You could always bring it up on Appendix_talk:English_pronunciation? —Darxus (talk) 23:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Nah I don't think that'd be worth it. I just try to keep my head down and follow whatever standard the more authoritative editors have put in place. I'm just some guy. —Coreydragon (talk) 00:31, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

• /ɝ/ is our standard representation for English. @Darxus, you may want to learn the IPA and our standards a bit better before correcting other people. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 00:19, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Metaknowledge, is this not a great way for me to learn? Asking questions to educate myself, while getting those already involved with IPA to help resolve the differences between the pronunciation appendix, and what's in use? —Darxus (talk) 17:39, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Clippings and apocopes.

Hello, and thanks for templatising these etymologies. In most cases, we should actually remove any mention of "apocope" and only leave "clipping": please see this discussion and this edit. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 10:00, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you -Coreydragon (talk) 10:11, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

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