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Standard hyphenation
[edit]From i senn from your edits, i assumed you misunderstood about standard hyphenation for words with the -an ending. In most cases it's hyphenated like this example: lan-das-an. Although -an pronounced with previous consonant, the hyphenation not fully represented pronunciation. ―Rex Aurōrum｢Disputātiō｣ 18:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Rex Aurorum: Ah, yes, thank you for contacting me! I indeed had some confusion about it and was thinking about asking you. I was confused about to what extent the hyphenation represents the pronunciation. I thought that hyphenation represents breaking up the word into several syllables. But now that I think about it and I've read up a bit about it, turns out the purpose of representing the hyphenation is to decide how much of the word to cut off when writing when reaching the edge of the paper and wanting to start a new line but the last written word in the previous line has to be cut off. And turns out, hyphenation doesn't always match the syllables in the pronunciation, yet I used to think it always does! With that, I am no longer confused anymore, but could you please confirm whether or not what I've said is correct? I want to make sure I understand it correctly to prevent similar mistakes in the future. Thanks! --Bismabrj (talk | contribs) 03:24, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Hyphenation almost always match pronunciation. Except, in affixes things (prefixes, suffixes, circumfixes), it's always separated. It's show the word was affixed. That the 'common rule'. There always exception. Some examples: pel-a-jar-an, ge-me-tar, ma-kan-an, me-nga-nan, pem-bu-nuh, pe-rem-pu-an, prok-la-ma-si, in-fra-me-rah, in-sta-la-si, pe-nye-a-rah, re-ak-tans, pet-ro-gra-fi. ―Rex Aurōrum｢Disputātiō｣ 05:05, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Rex Aurorum: Ahh I see, thanks! What I'm getting is that, most of the time I can just make it the same as the pronunciation, however I need to make sure that all affixes are already fully separated from the root word in the hyphenation. For example, makan is hyphenated ma-kan because it is pronounced /ma.kan/, however, makanan is hyphenated ma-kan-an even if it is pronounced /ma.ka.nan/, because "-an" is a suffix (after all, that word came from makan + -an) and it has to be separate from the root word, is that correct? And of course there are some other exceptions from that main rule as well (but I don't know about that yet). Just to be sure, is that what you meant? --Bismabrj (talk | contribs) 06:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- In most cases, but not in every cases. Example of exception (maybe): peng-a-jaran. You can check KBBI for standard hyphenation if you're unsure which form correct. Please list only standard hyphenation, except for word with alternative hyphenation or popular nonstandard hyphenation. ―Rex Aurōrum｢Disputātiō｣ 12:30, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- For the rules you can see this link https://ivanlanin.github.io/puebi/kata/pemenggalan-kata/ ―Rex Aurōrum｢Disputātiō｣ 12:45, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
@Rex Aurorum: Ah, yes. I often just follow the hyphenation listed in the KBBI, and will continue to do so. Alright, thank you very much, and thanks for the link too! --Bismabrj (talk | contribs) 03:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)