User talk:范俊華
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[edit]Is hoạt used in isolation in Vietnamese (i.e. as a standalone word)? If not, it should not be included in the CJKV descendants box. RcAlex36 (talk) 03:51, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Also pinging @PhanAnh123. RcAlex36 (talk) 04:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- I would say it depends. Speakers would have no idea what you mean if you just talk about hoạt all the sudden, but it does occur alone in some specific contexts. Still, it occurs almost exclusively as a bound morpheme in compounds.PhanAnh123 (talk) 04:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @PhanAnh123 I am going to remove it from the box then, since it is not used as a free morpheme. RcAlex36 (talk) 06:42, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
@RcAlex36 I feel you are misinterpreting the "green Sino-Xenic box". The point is to just put the orthodox Sino-Xenic readings of that Character (or sometimes compound word/ phrase) in that box. If we would judge it by only allowing Sino-Xenic descendants that can be used as a free morpheme, then we must also remove Sino-Japanese descendants such as 活 (かつ), 割 (かつ), or 雨 (う) since they cannot be used as a standalone morpheme and can only be used in either written language or in very specific contexts.
The only time we shouldn't put the sino-xenic descendants is when the Chinese term didnt exist in Classical Chinese, is never used in the language (such as 驌), or the character does not possess an orthodox reading such as 熵 or 瓥.
Despite all that "hoạt" is still a descendant of 活, just like "anti-" is a descendant of ἀντί. 范俊華 (talk) 08:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung Any thoughts on this? RcAlex36 (talk) 09:25, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- I disagree with you, 范俊華. The CJKV box, as with
{{desc}}, is generally used for free morphemes or productive (currently or in the past) affixes, not just for any morpheme. It's kind of like we don't have nat- in English just because it appears in nation or native. Japanese 活 (かつ) is recorded in Japanese dictionaries such as 大辞林 as a free morpheme, and we do have an entry for it. Is hoạt listed in Vietnamese dictionaries as a free morpheme? — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 20:12, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- I disagree with you, 范俊華. The CJKV box, as with
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