Talk:真空

RFV discussion: April 2021

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Japanese 真空 (shinkū), vacuous sense

The senses of the English term that I'm most familiar with have to do with subjective judgement, and are closer to vapid, insipid, stupid, flippant, meaningless.

The Japanese term, meanwhile, means more literally and objectively vacant, empty, devoid, at least as far as I'm familiar and able to double-check in a reasonable amount of time (probably still spending too long :) ).

I've never encountered 真空 (shinkū) as an adjective, but google books:"真空な" does seem to turn up valid hits, albeit only 735 -- but a few on even the first page aren't valid, and instead are collocations like 完全に真空なのかというと (kanzen ni shinkū na no ka to iu to, “if we're talking about whether something is completely vacuum,...”), etc. I'm tempted to add a "rare" label.

@TAKASUGI Shinji, as a native speaker of Japanese, what's your take? Is the sense correct? Does it deserve a "rare" label, and/or something else? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 23:45, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it’s rare, but I do find valid usages: google books:"真空な場所", google books:"真空な空間", google books:"真空な状態". — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 02:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Shinji, it sounds like you're unfamiliar with this usage. I'll definitely add a "rare" label.

Your findings match mine, where the Japanese term seems to be used more in an objective sense of vacant or empty, rather than the subjective sense of vacuous, stupid. I'll change the gloss as well while I'm at it.

Thank you! ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 18:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Striking as resolved. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 18:41, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

RFV discussion: February–September 2021

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真空

Rfv-sense: "partially or fully without wearing underwear" (adjective and adverb senses). Tagged by @Tooironic but not listed. RcAlex36 (talk) 16:35, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I could find two articles (1, 2) about this (although article 1 is currently inaccessible), one of them listing the meaning, and at least one video (3). --ItMarki (talk) 13:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I've added some quotes in Citations:真空. I think these two senses (adjective and adverb) could be combined into one sense, but I'm not sure if it should be an adjective or a verb. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 01:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@Tooironic, RcAlex36, ItMarki, 沈澄心, any thoughts on whether this should be combined, and if the combined sense would be an adjective or a verb? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 23:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's just a verb? We should also add a tag — maybe slang or neologism. ---> Tooironic (talk) 00:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

• RFV passed with combined verb definition "to not wear underwear (partially or fully)". — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 17:00, 13 September 2021 (UTC)