Talk:रोकना

Relationship with रुध् (rudh)

@AryamanA Turner in CDIAL appears hesitant to reconstruct this back to रुध् (rudh) (see [[1]]). Is there any literature that supports that this word developed from that root as we're suggesting right now, or some precedent for -kk- completely replacing the final sound of a root? Dragonoid76 (talk) 00:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah this is super tough. rudh- + -kk- is very unprecedented, and I don't think the unit for such extensions would be the root (i.e. rudh- + -kk- > rukk-?). The other potential example of extension on a verb that comes to mind is दौड़ना (dauṛnā), which must be drava- > dava- > dau- + -ḍ-, where the thematic vowel of the verb is obviously included.

There are two potential solutions here. One option is that the verb was formed newly by analogy using some participle. See 𑀧𑀳𑀼𑀘𑁆𑀘𑀇 (pahuccaï) for an example of this process (very common in MIA). However, I can't think of how we would go from the participle रुद्ध (ruddha) to a form in -kk-. (We might be able to explain the synonym 𑀭𑁄𑀟𑁂𑀇 (roḍei) like this though!) But maybe you can find a similar verb/participle pair?

The other thought I had is that we have Sanskrit रोधति (rodhati), रोहति (rohati) with aspiration, and also Marathi रोखणे (rokhṇe) with aspiration (but no other descendants). Maybe we had intermediate rohakk-? This is super speculative too though.

I will check Bloch and Chatterji when I have some time. —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 07:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

(I've not checked any sources yet and this is all just a speculation) There are instances where -h- acts as a hiatus-filler similar to the more common -y- or -v-. Examples: Apabhramsa भारह (bhāraha) < Sanskrit भारत (bhārata), Hindi मनिहार (manihār) < Sanskrit मणिकार (maṇikāra). So a speculation is, rudh -> ruh -> rua + -kka; ruakka can metathesize into raükka ~ rokka.

Alternatively, if we want to consider एक्क (ĕkka) as being as extended with -kka rather than uncertain gemination or inheritance from ऐक्य (aikya), this would be an example of a deletion of the last -a to add -kka (ea + -kka -> ekka). So rua -> rukka -> causative rokka.

Not sure about this but I just felt this is worth adding to the discussion. Svartava (talk) 10:30, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Since MIA did often inherit stems of the verbs as in many examples, दौड़ना (dauṛnā) looks straightforward as inherited from द्रव (drava) + Middle Indo-Aryan -𑀟𑁆𑀟- (-ḍḍa-). Svartava (talk) 10:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)