Talk:зубчатый

RFV discussion: April 2018

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-чатый

зубчатый (zubčatyj), ступенчатый (stupenčatyj), дымчатый (dymčatyj), решётчатый (rešótčatyj) and одностворчатый (odnostvorčatyj) are derived from зубец (zubec), ступенька (stupenʹka), дымка (dymka), решётка (rešótka), and створка (stvorka) respectively. I don’t see why can’t пильчатый (pilʹčatyj) and бревенчатый (brevenčatyj) be treated alike. Does somebody know better examples, if this suffix exists, as distinct from -атый (-atyj)? Guldrelokk (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I've fixed/added the etymologies of the terms you've mentioned here. But if -атый palatalises words like ступе́нька (→ ступе́нчатый), why doesn't it do it to рог (→ рога́тый)?

Also, I don't understand your second-to-last sentence: "I don’t see why can’t пильчатый (pilʹčatyj) and бревенчатый (brevenčatyj) be treated alike". What do you mean by that?

@Guldrelokk --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 09:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: Thank you. Sorry, I was trying to say that while решётчатый (rešótčatyj) is clearly a derivative of решётка (rešótka) – it doesn’t have anything to do with решето (rešeto), nor does зубчатый (zubčatyj) have anything to do with зуб (zub) – it doesn’t matter whether to consider пильчатый (pilʹčatyj) a derivative of пила (pila) or пилка (pilka), its straightforward diminutive with no peculiar senses.

I have found, however, a few words, the most important of which is взрывчатый (vzryvčatyj), that must indeed contain -чатый (-čatyj) as a suffix, extracted from words like ступенчатый (stupenčatyj). I’ll add a couple and close RFV.

Examples of -атый (-atyj) causing iotation where there can be no other suffix are внук (vnuk) → внучатый (vnučatyj), хлопок (xlopok) → хлопчатый (xlopčatyj), перепонка (pereponka) → перепончатый (perepončatyj). A counterexample is язык (jazyk) → языкатый (jazykatyj); this doesn’t seem predictable. Г, on the other hand, is never affected. Guldrelokk (talk) 10:08, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

RFV passed. Examples are now unambiguous. Guldrelokk (talk) 10:44, 23 April 2018 (UTC)