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Introduction

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Many books, websites, online communities and even Wikimedia wikis are dedicated to playing "what if" with dead languages- how would these languages have responded to concepts, technologies, things and events that didn't exist or were unknown when the languages were spoken. These are full of terms that people have made up using authentic morphological elements and rules in order to imitate these languages as closely as possible. This may be fun, even educational, but none of these should ever appear in Wiktionary entries. Since no authentic speaker of a dead language could possibly have used those terms, they inherently fail WT:ATTEST.

For example, Old English Wikipedia has an article titled Wæterwand about the platypus. Australia was unknown to Europeans until modern English times, so this is obviously made up.

These are periodically added to translation sections by clueless people, and people with agendas, so constant vigilance is necessary.

You can use the following for any language by replacing the "ang" with the language code you want to search for:

Geography

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Eurasia

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No verified contact with the Americas before 1492, except for limited contacts by Old Norse speakers

No verified European contact with Australia before 1606

Ancient references to Asia should be checked as to whether they refer to the continent or to Asia Minor

North America

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South America

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Africa

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Australia and Oceania

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History

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Countries

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This is tricky, because some countries didn't exist as a unified state until modern times, but may share their name with a region

  • Dominican Republic
  • Haiti
  • North Korea
  • Northern Ireland
  • South Korea
  • Soviet Union

Life forms

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Americas

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Plants

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Fungi

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Animals

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Mammals
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Birds
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hummingbird, meadowlark, mockingbird, turkey

Reptiles
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Amphibians
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Australia

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Plants

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eucalyptus, wattle

Fungi

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Animals

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Mammals
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kangaroo, koala, platypus

Birds
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cassowary, emu

Reptiles
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Amphibians
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Technology

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  • Airplanes
  • Automobiles
  • Computers

List of languages to watch for

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Extinct languages with hobbyists
Extinct languages with Wikimedia projects
All

A-E

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F-K

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L-N

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O

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P-R

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S-Z

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By end date

12th century BCE

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  • Mycenaean Greek (gmy C, S, [D])- to ~12th century BCE

9th century BCE

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7th century BCE

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6th century BCE

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4th century BCE

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  • Elamite (elx C, S, [D])- attested to 4th century BCE

3rd century BCE

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2nd century BCE

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  • Lepontic (xlp C, S, [D])- to ~6th or ~2nd century BCE
  • Phoenician (phn C, S, [D])- to ~2nd century BCE

1st century BCE

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1st century CE

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  • Akkadian (akk C, S, [D])- to ~ 1st century
  • Celtiberian (xce C, S, [D])- to ~1st century
  • Etruscan (ett C, S, [D])- to 1st century
  • Lusitanian (xls C, S, [D]) attested 1st century
  • Oscan (osc C, S, [D])- to ~1st century
  • Sumerian (sux C, S, [D])- to ~1700 BCE, learned and religous usage to ~1st century CE

5th century CE

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6th century CE

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7th century CE

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9th century CE

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10th century CE

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11th century CE

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  • Old Church Slavonic (cu,WP C, S, [D])- to ~11th century
  • Old High German (goh C, S, [D])- to ~11th century

12th century CE

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13th century CE

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14th century CE

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15th century CE

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16th century CE

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  • Crimean Gothic (gme-cgo C, S, [D])- attested 1562, to ~18th century
  • Curonian (xcu C, S, [D])- to ~16th century
  • Old Prussian (prg C, S, [D])- Last texts ~16th century, extinct ~18th century

19th century CE

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Easily confused

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Modern language Code Dead language Code Notes
Arabic ar Ancient North Arabian, Old South Arabian xna, sem-srb There are also modern South Arabian languages
Assyrian Neo-Aramaic aii Assyrian akk The extinct language is a variety of Akkadian
Bulgarian bg Bulgar xbo
Egyptian Arabic arz Egyptian egy
Franco-Provençal frp Old Provençal pro Old Provençal is a variety of Old Occitan
Greek el Ancient Greek grc With scholarly and religious usage, the Greek lects are probably too complex to easily sort out
Ligurian lij Ancient Ligurian xlg
Lombard lmo Lombardic goh The extinct language is a variety of Old High German
Macedonian mk Ancient Macedonian xmk
Persian fa Middle Persian, Old Persian pal, peo
Venetan vec Venetic xve

Complexes

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  • Arabic
  • Aramaic
    • Ancient:
      • Biblical Aramaic
      • Syriac
    • Modern:
      • Assyrian Neo-Aramaic
  • Chinese
  • German
    • High German
      • Alemannic German
    • Low German/Saxon
  • Greek
    • Mycenaean Greek
    • Ancient Greek
      • Classical Greek
      • Epic Greek
      • Koine Greek
      • Byzantine/Medieval Greek
    • Modern Greek
      • Greek
      • Mariupol Greek
      • Pontic Greek
      • Tsakonian
  • Malay/Indonesian
  • Nahuatl
  • Norwegian
  • Persian
    Category:Southwestern Iranian languages
  • Serbo-Croatian

Common errors

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Language Correct code Incorrect codes
Belarusian be br C, S, Scr, [D] (Breton- typo)
Chinese zh ch C, S, Scr, [D] (Chamorro)
Dutch nl ne C, S, Scr, [D] (Nepali)
Japanese ja jp
Korean ko kr C, S, Scr, [D] (Kanuri)
Lithuanian lt li C, S, [D] (Limburgish)
Old Norse non nn C, S, [D] (Norwegian Nynorsk- typo)
Pashto ps pa C, S, [D] (Punjabi)
Serbo-Croatian sh bs (Bosnian- not used here)
hr (Croatian- not used here)
sr (Serbian- not used here)
cnr (Montenegrin- not used here)
sc C, S, [D] (Sardinian)
Sicilian scn sc C, S, [D] (Sardinian)
Swedish sv sw C, S, [D] (Swahili), se C, S, [D] (Northern Sami)
Welsh cy cu C, S, Scr, [D] (Old Church Slavonic- typo)

Exceptions

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Learned and religious languages

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Kept alive by scholars or adherents of religions

Revived languages

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Eurasian

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  • Cornish

American Indian

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