Wiktionary:Todo/Impossible translations
Introduction
[edit]Many books, websites, online communities and even Wikimedia wikis are dedicated to playing "what if" with dead languages- how would these languages have responded to concepts, technologies, things and events that didn't exist or were unknown when the languages were spoken. These are full of terms that people have made up using authentic morphological elements and rules in order to imitate these languages as closely as possible. This may be fun, even educational, but none of these should ever appear in Wiktionary entries. Since no authentic speaker of a dead language could possibly have used those terms, they inherently fail WT:ATTEST.
For example, Old English Wikipedia has an article titled Wæterwand about the platypus. Australia was unknown to Europeans until modern English times, so this is obviously made up.
These are periodically added to translation sections by clueless people, and people with agendas, so constant vigilance is necessary.
You can use the following for any language by replacing the "ang" with the language code you want to search for:
Geography
[edit]Eurasia
[edit]No verified contact with the Americas before 1492, except for limited contacts by Old Norse speakers
No verified European contact with Australia before 1606
Ancient references to Asia should be checked as to whether they refer to the continent or to Asia Minor
North America
[edit]South America
[edit]Africa
[edit]Australia and Oceania
[edit]History
[edit]Countries
[edit]This is tricky, because some countries didn't exist as a unified state until modern times, but may share their name with a region
- Dominican Republic
- Haiti
- North Korea
- Northern Ireland
- South Korea
- Soviet Union
Life forms
[edit]Americas
[edit]Plants
[edit]- cacao/chocolate, chile pepper, kidney bean, maize, peanut, pecan, pineapple, potato, pumpkin, redwood, squash sunflower, tobacco, tomato, vanilla
Fungi
[edit]Animals
[edit]Mammals
[edit]Birds
[edit]hummingbird, meadowlark, mockingbird, turkey
Reptiles
[edit]Amphibians
[edit]Australia
[edit]Plants
[edit]Fungi
[edit]Animals
[edit]Mammals
[edit]Birds
[edit]Reptiles
[edit]Amphibians
[edit]Technology
[edit]- Airplanes
- Automobiles
- Computers
List of languages to watch for
[edit]- Extinct languages with hobbyists
- Gothic (got,WP C, S, [D])
- Old English (angWT,WP C, S, [D]}
- Old Norse (non C, S, [D])
- Old Prussian (prg C, S, [D])
- Extinct languages with Wikimedia projects
- All
A-E
[edit]- Akkadian (akk C, S, [D])- to ~ 1st century
- Apabhramsa (inc-apa C, S, [D])- 6th to 13th centuries. Varieties:
- Baekje (pkc C, S, [D])- to ~7th century
- Carian (xcr C, S, [D])- attested to 3rd century BCE
- Celtiberian (xce C, S, [D])- to ~1st century
- Crimean Gothic (gme-cgo C, S, [D])- attested 1562, to ~18th century
- Cumbric (xcb C, S, [D])- to ~12th century
- Curonian (xcu C, S, [D])- to ~16th century
- Dacian (xdc C, S, [D])- 1 inscription, mentions in Greek & Latin, probably extinct by 6th century
- Dalmatian (dlm C, S, [D])- to late 19th century
- Demotic (egx-dem C, S, [D])- ~650 BCE to 5th century CE
- Egyptian (egy C, S, [D])- to ~700 BCE
- Elamite (elx C, S, [D])- attested to 4th century BCE
- Eteocretan (ecr C, S, [D])- attested to 3rd century BCE
- Etruscan (ett C, S, [D])- to 1st century
F-K
[edit]- Faliscan (xfa C, S, [D])- to 2nd century BCE
- Fingallian (gmw-fin C, S, [D])- Attested 17th century
- Gallaecian (cel-gal C, S, [D]- 1st century BCE- ?
- Gaulish (cel-gau C, S, [D])- to ~6th century
- Goguryeo (zkg C, S, [D])- to 10th century?
- Gothic (got,WP C, S, [D])- to 9th century
- Guanche (gnc C, S, [D])- to ~17th century
- Hadrami (xhd C, S, [D])- ~8th century BCE to 6th century CE
- Hattic (xht C, S, [D])- 2nd millenium BCE
- Hittite (hit C, S, [D])- to ~12th century BCE
- Hurrian (xhu C, S, [D])- attested to end of 2nd millenium BCE
- Iberian (xib C, S, [D])- to ~2nd century
- Illyrian (xil C, S, [D])- to ~11th century
- Jurchen (juc C, S, [D])- to ~16th century
L-N
[edit]- Latin:
- Lemnian (xle C, S, [D])- attested 6th century BCE
- Lepontic (xlp C, S, [D])- to ~6th or ~2nd century BCE
- Lusitanian (xls C, S, [D]) attested 1st century
- Luwian (xlu C, S, [D])- to ~7th century BCE
- Lycian (xlc C, S, [D])- to ~3rd century BCE
- Lydian (xld C, S, [D])- to ~3rd century BCE
- Marsian (ims C, S, [D])
- Marrucinian (umc C, S, [D])
- Minoan (omn C, S, [D])
- Moabite (obm C, S, [D])
- Mozarabic (mxi C, S, [D])- to ~13th century?
- Mycenaean Greek (gmy C, S, [D])- to ~12th century BCE
- Mysian (yms C, S, [D])
O
[edit]- Old Church Slavonic (cu,WP C, S, [D])- to ~11th century
- Old English (angWT,WP C, S, [D])- to 12th century
- Old French (fro C, S, [D])- to ~14th century
- Old Galician-Portuguese (roa-opt C, S, [D])- 9th to 14th century
- Old High German (goh C, S, [D])- to ~11th century
- Old Irish (sga C, S, [D])- to ~10th century
- Old Norse (non C, S, [D])- to ~15th century
- Old Persian (peo C, S, [D])
- Old Prussian (prg C, S, [D])- Last texts ~16th century, extinct ~18th century
- Old Saxon (osx C, S, [D])- to 12th century
- Old Turkic (otk C, S, [D])- to ~13th century
- Oscan (osc C, S, [D])- to ~1st century
P-R
[edit]- Paelignian (pgn C, S, [D])
- Parthian (xpr C, S, [D])
- Phoenician (phn C, S, [D])- to ~2nd century BCE
- Philistine (mis-phi C, S, [D])- to ~9th century BCE
- Phrygian (xpg C, S, [D])
- Pictish (xpi C, S, [D])
- Prakrit (pra C, S, [D])- 3rd century BCE to 8th century CE
- Punic (xpu C, S, [D])- to ~6th century
- Pictish (xpi C, S, [D])
S-Z
[edit]- Sabaean (xsa C, S, [D])- 1000 BCE to ~6th century
- Sabine (sbv C, S, [D])
- Sicel (scx C, S, [D])
- South Picene (spx C, S, [D])
- Sudovian (xsv C, S, [D])
- Sumerian (sux C, S, [D])- to ~1700 BCE, learned and religous usage to ~1st century CE
- Thracian (txh C, S, [D])- to ~6th century
- Tocharian A (xto C, S, [D])
- Tocharian B (txb C, S, [D])- to ~9th century
- Ugaritic (uga C, S, [D])
- Umbrian (xum C, S, [D])- 7th to 1st century BCE
- Urartian (xur C, S, [D])
- Vandalic (xvn C, S, [D])
- Volscian (xvo C, S, [D])
- By end date
12th century BCE
[edit]9th century BCE
[edit]7th century BCE
[edit]6th century BCE
[edit]4th century BCE
[edit]3rd century BCE
[edit]- Carian (xcr C, S, [D])- attested to 3rd century BCE
- Eteocretan (ecr C, S, [D])- attested to 3rd century BCE
- Lycian (xlc C, S, [D])- to ~3rd century BCE
- Lydian (xld C, S, [D])- to ~3rd century BCE
2nd century BCE
[edit]- Lepontic (xlp C, S, [D])- to ~6th or ~2nd century BCE
- Phoenician (phn C, S, [D])- to ~2nd century BCE
1st century BCE
[edit]1st century CE
[edit]- Akkadian (akk C, S, [D])- to ~ 1st century
- Celtiberian (xce C, S, [D])- to ~1st century
- Etruscan (ett C, S, [D])- to 1st century
- Lusitanian (xls C, S, [D]) attested 1st century
- Oscan (osc C, S, [D])- to ~1st century
- Sumerian (sux C, S, [D])- to ~1700 BCE, learned and religous usage to ~1st century CE
5th century CE
[edit]6th century CE
[edit]- Punic (xpu C, S, [D])- to ~6th century
- Sabaean (xsa C, S, [D])- 1000 BCE to ~6th century
- Thracian (txh C, S, [D])- to ~6th century
7th century CE
[edit]9th century CE
[edit]10th century CE
[edit]11th century CE
[edit]- Old Church Slavonic (cu,WP C, S, [D])- to ~11th century
- Old High German (goh C, S, [D])- to ~11th century
12th century CE
[edit]- Cumbric (xcb C, S, [D])- to ~12th century
- Old English (angWT,WP C, S, [D])- to 12th century
- Old Saxon (osx C, S, [D])- to 12th century
13th century CE
[edit]14th century CE
[edit]- Old French (fro C, S, [D])- to ~14th century
- Old Galician-Portuguese (roa-opt C, S, [D])- 9th to 14th century
15th century CE
[edit]16th century CE
[edit]- Crimean Gothic (gme-cgo C, S, [D])- attested 1562, to ~18th century
- Curonian (xcu C, S, [D])- to ~16th century
- Old Prussian (prg C, S, [D])- Last texts ~16th century, extinct ~18th century
19th century CE
[edit]Easily confused
[edit]Modern language | Code | Dead language | Code | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|
Arabic | ar | Ancient North Arabian, Old South Arabian | xna, sem-srb | There are also modern South Arabian languages |
Assyrian Neo-Aramaic | aii | Assyrian | akk | The extinct language is a variety of Akkadian |
Bulgarian | bg | Bulgar | xbo | |
Egyptian Arabic | arz | Egyptian | egy | |
Franco-Provençal | frp | Old Provençal | pro | Old Provençal is a variety of Old Occitan |
Greek | el | Ancient Greek | grc | With scholarly and religious usage, the Greek lects are probably too complex to easily sort out |
Ligurian | lij | Ancient Ligurian | xlg | |
Lombard | lmo | Lombardic | goh | The extinct language is a variety of Old High German |
Macedonian | mk | Ancient Macedonian | xmk | |
Persian | fa | Middle Persian, Old Persian | pal, peo | |
Venetan | vec | Venetic | xve |
Complexes
[edit]- Arabic
- Aramaic
- Ancient:
- Biblical Aramaic
- Syriac
- Modern:
- Assyrian Neo-Aramaic
- Ancient:
- Chinese
- German
- High German
- Alemannic German
- Low German/Saxon
- High German
- Greek
- Mycenaean Greek
- Ancient Greek
- Classical Greek
- Epic Greek
- Koine Greek
- Byzantine/Medieval Greek
- Modern Greek
- Greek
- Mariupol Greek
- Pontic Greek
- Tsakonian
- Malay/Indonesian
- Nahuatl
- Norwegian
- Persian
- Ancient
- Avestan
- Old Persian
- Middle
- Modern
- Persian
- Dari
- Tajik
- Ancient
- Serbo-Croatian
Common errors
[edit]Language | Correct code | Incorrect codes |
---|---|---|
Belarusian | be | br C, S, Scr, [D] (Breton- typo) |
Chinese | zh | ch C, S, Scr, [D] (Chamorro) |
Dutch | nl | ne C, S, Scr, [D] (Nepali) |
Japanese | ja | jp |
Korean | ko | kr C, S, Scr, [D] (Kanuri) |
Lithuanian | lt | li C, S, [D] (Limburgish) |
Old Norse | non | nn C, S, [D] (Norwegian Nynorsk- typo) |
Pashto | ps | pa C, S, [D] (Punjabi) |
Serbo-Croatian | sh | bs (Bosnian- not used here) hr (Croatian- not used here) sr (Serbian- not used here) cnr (Montenegrin- not used here) sc C, S, [D] (Sardinian) |
Sicilian | scn | sc C, S, [D] (Sardinian) |
Swedish | sv | sw C, S, [D] (Swahili), se C, S, [D] (Northern Sami) |
Welsh | cy | cu C, S, Scr, [D] (Old Church Slavonic- typo) |
Exceptions
[edit]Learned and religious languages
[edit]Kept alive by scholars or adherents of religions
- Ancient Greek (grc C, S, [D])
- Avestan (ae C, S, [D])
- Church Slavic (cu,WP C, S, [D])
- Coptic (cop C, S, [D])
- Ge'ez (gez C, S, [D])
- Latin (la C, S, [D])
- Pali (pi,WP C, S, [D])
- Sanskrit (saWT,WP C, S, [D])
Revived languages
[edit]Eurasian
[edit]- Cornish