User talk:Darxus/IPA Substitution
Latest comment: 6 years ago by Mahagaja in topic Cleaned up
(Possible) Corrections
[edit]Hi, I was perusing your chart and had a few thoughts on some of your suggestions:
- ɜɹ > ɛɹ: I already mentioned on my talk page, but this is a change to an incorrect pronunciation. If /ɜɹ/ is to be avoided, /ɝ/ is probably appropriate.
- ɵ > oʊ: The former represents a rounded 'schwa', which is present and distinctive for some speakers (who contrast e.g. omit and emit); perhaps it's too marginal to be noted. That said, I think /oʊ/ is not always going to be a correct substitution, as it may sometimes be /ə/. Many times I think both realisations exist.
- aː > æ: This is another case of a change to an incorrect phoneme. Australian English has the trap-bath split, and the first syllable of basket is in the BATH set, not the TRAP one.
- ɦ > h: The potentially 'errant' symbol is given in the Indian English pronunciation. As /ɦ/ is a phoneme in many Indic languages, e.g. Hindi, it's quite possible that [ɦ] is how English /h/ would surface (I believe this is the case, but I'm no expert in Indian English, so that's worth very little). However, this is perhaps better given as a phonetic transcription rather than a phonemic one. To my knowledge Wiktionary hasn't got a standard for the transcription of Indian English.
- ɑ̃ > ɑ: French terms, particularly non-nativised ones like this, often retain nasal vowels (cf. denouement). In any case, the wholesale replacement of /ɑ̃/ with /ɑ/ is incorrect (as it would give pronunciations such as /ʃæˌtoʊbɹiˈɑ/, which is ludicrous).
Just some thoughts. Cheers.—Coreydragon (talk) 22:48, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. I made the change to /ɜɹ/, and added /ə/. It sounds like aː > æ: is another case where it needs to have multiple replacements? I'm still trying to figure out what the second one should be.
- I sure have a lot to learn.
- I certainly have no objection to changes to the pronunciation appendix, I'd just like usage to match it, either way. —Darxus (talk) 17:37, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Cleaned up
[edit]I've cleaned up the example words in your table. I hope that doesn't throw off your work in finding words that need to be cleaned up! —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 10:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)