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Not an obsolete spelling of up, simply v and u were typographically the same at that stage in English. I'd compare it to the debate on Romanian unicode (comma forms versus cedilla forms). --Mglovesfun (talk) 13:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm, it appears v and u had similar rules to the long ſ, and I doubt we need to include all of those spellings. Fine, go ahead and delete this. 75.142.190.21 13:57, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. U and V are now different letters. This is therefore only an obsolete spelling of (deprecated template usage) up. Same goes for all such variants; although this one is of little use, some (I think I mentioned (deprecated template usage) yuie before) are more valuable. Ƿidsiþ 14:04, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
- Can you state your reasons? Mglovesfun (talk) 14:45, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know what else to add. U and V were always seen as separate characters, they just happened once to represent the same phonemes. (deprecated template usage) vp is a perfectly valid former spelling of "up", in fact (deprecated template usage) up so spelled would not have been acceptable till, I dunno 1600 or so (because V was always used at the beginning of a word). We can't hard redirect (as we can for long-s) because U and V are both still distinct letters which are in use in English as well as other languages. Ƿidsiþ 16:03, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Then I just reject the idea that vp is an obsolete spelling of up. The spelling is identical, the difference is encoding, not spelling. --Mglovesfun (talk) 16:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
- And you don't think it's a problem that the ‘encoding’ happens to be in the form of a different existing letter of the alphabet? Ƿidsiþ 16:24, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
- It's a problem, I just don't like this solution to it. --Mglovesfun (talk) 15:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
- And you don't think it's a problem that the ‘encoding’ happens to be in the form of a different existing letter of the alphabet? Ƿidsiþ 16:24, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Then I just reject the idea that vp is an obsolete spelling of up. The spelling is identical, the difference is encoding, not spelling. --Mglovesfun (talk) 16:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know what else to add. U and V were always seen as separate characters, they just happened once to represent the same phonemes. (deprecated template usage) vp is a perfectly valid former spelling of "up", in fact (deprecated template usage) up so spelled would not have been acceptable till, I dunno 1600 or so (because V was always used at the beginning of a word). We can't hard redirect (as we can for long-s) because U and V are both still distinct letters which are in use in English as well as other languages. Ƿidsiþ 16:03, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
- Can you state your reasons? Mglovesfun (talk) 14:45, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, essentially per Widsith.—msh210℠ (talk) 19:11, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with User:Widsith, keep as an alternative (obsolete) spelling. I do see a counterargument, the Question of whether we should have alternative-form-of Entries for Nouns in their previous Spellings with capital Letters — but {{also}} and "Did you mean" redirect readers from Execution to execution, whereas vp → up is opaque. - -sche (discuss) 02:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, for example [[The]] and [[THE]] are attestable forms of the. I did speedy delete an entry once; Accusative or something similar that said "alternative spelling of accusative with a capital letter". Mglovesfun (talk) 15:37, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- In fact it was that, and it said "common misspeling of accusative", which AFAICT it less true. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:39, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, for example [[The]] and [[THE]] are attestable forms of the. I did speedy delete an entry once; Accusative or something similar that said "alternative spelling of accusative with a capital letter". Mglovesfun (talk) 15:37, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with User:Widsith, keep as an alternative (obsolete) spelling. I do see a counterargument, the Question of whether we should have alternative-form-of Entries for Nouns in their previous Spellings with capital Letters — but {{also}} and "Did you mean" redirect readers from Execution to execution, whereas vp → up is opaque. - -sche (discuss) 02:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Kept for no consensus, or weak consensus to keep. --Mglovesfun (talk) 11:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
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[edit]Talk:vpon, Talk:euery, Talk:dies Iouis, Talk:uacuus, Talk:auec, Talk:giuen. - -sche (discuss) 04:05, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
- See also Talk:cõtempt (also cōtempt). - -sche (discuss) 04:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- An RFV discussion which will be archived to Talk:deiuos also touches on this. - -sche (discuss) 23:27, 26 January 2020 (UTC)