Talk:prostate cancer

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prostate cancer

Now that's what I call sum of parts. Strong delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 07:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

• Although, some cancers (like this) use an attributive noun, whereas others use an adjective (cervical cancer, not *cervix cancer). Ƿidsiþ 07:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Are any of these idiomatic, do they meet our criteria? If we keep these, why not broken leg, broken finger, broken arm? Mglovesfun (talk) 07:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Not that I would love this, but we recently kept soil pollution, defined as "pollution of soil". I would never have guessed! Besides, Widsith has a point here. Now I do not need to guess what eturauhassyöpä might be in English. --Hekaheka 13:10, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Erm, was that his point? Mglovesfun (talk) 13:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I was trying to demonstrate one aspect of it. If the names of different forms of cancer are not formed according to uniform pattern, a user who is looking for a correct English term for X-cancer might appreciate an entry which helps him choose between adjective+cancer and noun+cancer forms. --Hekaheka 12:11, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this justifies keeping it. By the way, is there an adjectival form of prostate? If so, I've gotta start using it in everyday conversations. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 13:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Prostatic cancer is used, though apparently less commonly than prostate cancer (2000 vs 6000 hits on g.b.c). Pingku 16:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Delete.​—msh210℠ 17:26, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Also "cancer of the prostate" at 1375 on b.g.c. DCDuring TALK 14:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd delete cervical cancer too. Wasn't it dental abscess we deleted last year(?) on the grounds you can have an abscess anywhere. Same goes for cancer. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I was a little surprised to see this entry, but I created the Dutch equivalent for it anyway. delete Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 01:56, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

• I don't really care if it's deleted, but I now favour keep. The meaning is obvious, but on the other hand it's not predictable that we'd call it this, and the translations are useful (I know that's not a popular reason..). Ƿidsiþ 05:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Occitan has a single word for grow a beard, would you want that entry? Mglovesfun (talk) 09:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
    • I laughed, but thinking about it....maybe? Ƿidsiþ 14:22, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
• Delete, I think. This is but one of at least three common ways of saying the same thing in English: "prostate cancer", "prostatic cancer", "cancer of the prostate". I don't see how we can keep this without having the others, explaining how they differ in usage, and supporting our position with citations or corpus research. DCDuring TALK 14:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

  This just in: some OneLook lemmings have this, and also prostatic adenocarcinoma. DCDuring TALK 15:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

If we keep this, why not prostate tumor, prostate tumour, throat cancer, throat tumor, throat tumour. We could get a bot to create them to save time. If we can find a language that has a single word for write with a pen, would we include that as an English term? Mglovesfun (talk) 11:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

(No -- that is very different from "grow a beard", in that no one actually says it...well, not unless being deliberately specific. Ƿidsiþ 15:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC))

And, warming to the theme, there should be pericardial/peritoneal/pleural mesothelioma. Pingku 16:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

gastric cancer first. Delete--Pierpao 07:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• Keep If we are to cover somewhat technical terms, we need to follow the technical subspecies of lemmings. About a dozen OneLook dictionaries and glossaries (mostly medical, but also Wordnet and 21st century dictionary) and some translating dictionaries have this. If WT:CFI does not have another rationale for keeping such multi-word entries, so much the worse for it. The lemming rationale seems a good protection against the limitations of CFI.

  "Prostate" is itself an ellipsis of prostate gland and seems to have no other usage or meaning. "Prostate cancer" occurs more than 1500 times of the 2700 occurrences of "prostate" on COCA. Three OneLook medical glossaries have enlarged prostate as well. In contrast, no OneLook reference has prostate tumor/prostate tumour (9 hits at COCA. DCDuring TALK 14:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• Strong delete. Would not be interpreted by anybody as anything other than (deprecated template usage) cancer of the (deprecated template usage) prostate. (deprecated template usage) cervical cancer is different, in that it means cancer of the cervix of the uterus, not cancer of the neck (also called a cervix in medicine). Facts707 11:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

A further question, IMO, is if kept, what should be in the entry? Saying it's cancer of the prostate isn't gonna help anyone. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, my Oxford Medical dictionary defines it as ‘a malignant tumour of the prostate gland, a common form of cancer in elderly men’, and goes on to give a few key characteristics. Ƿidsiþ 11:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it might be fairly well covered at WP. DCDuring TALK 13:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

deleted. -- Prince Kassad 20:30, 11 January 2011 (UTC)