Talk:hagok
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An anon removed this saying "hilik o higik ang tagalog. walang research?", which roughly translates to "hilik or higik in Tagalog. Was no research done?". I have restored it so it can be RFV'ed. We currently lack entries for both hilik and higik. @Mar vin kaiser, Andrew Sheedy —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:10, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- The word "hilik" is more common in Tagalog for "snoring", but the word "hagok" is a less known synonym, which is attested in all major dictionaries, such as Leo English Dictionary, Vicassan's Dictionary, Panganiban's Diksyunasyo-Tesauro, and UP Diksiyonaryong Filipino. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 05:39, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser. Thank you. For RFV, we need to demonstrate that the word passes WT:ATTEST. I think the only relevant cite I see at google books:"hagok" is in Cebuano, right? Can you find uses in print newspapers or magazines? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:48, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge Given the current state of the language where the large majority (greater than 50%) of the words in unabridged dictionaries are no longer in common use, due to the current education system and prioritization of English, I won't be able to find an attestation. And also due to the fact that most old Tagalog publications and literature are not digitalized, it's not easy to find. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 05:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- I tried myself after my comment above and I failed to find anything durably archived besides dictionaries. I think this means we should probably take Tagalog off WT:WDL. What other editors should we check with before doing that? @Mar vin kaiser, Atitarev, Stephen G. Brown —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:57, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- I agree. Despite being the national language (given the unification of Filipino and Tagalog), usage of the language in written form is very limited, since most written documents in the Philippines are in English, such as in the government, in business, and in the academe, and in literature. That is why most people are unfamiliar with more literary vocabulary found in the language, which are only privy to those who study Tagalog literature written more than a century ago, which not a lot of Filipinos get to read. Unlike in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand or Vietnam, where their national language is the default language in all cases. My point is that removing Tagalog from WT:WDL has a basis to it. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 06:03, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- I agree.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- I think hagok, a noun, is good and should be kept. Finding written attestations of Tagalog words ranges from difficult to virtually impossible. —Stephen (Talk) 20:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- The issue of making Tagalog an LDL has been brought up here, with no conclusion. @TagaSanPedroAko, if you can find one more citation, we can definitively close this RFV. Also, consider whether part of the quotations may be trimmed; is it necessary/helpful in understanding the word?__Gamren (talk) 15:46, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- I have added the 3rd attestation, and, we can close this now. I added "ang" to force Tagalog entries to appear. -TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 15:57, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Gamren Maybe find a replacement for the second citation as it is not snoring itself but rather giving tubig (water) the ability to snore.
- The issue of making Tagalog an LDL has been brought up here, with no conclusion. @TagaSanPedroAko, if you can find one more citation, we can definitively close this RFV. Also, consider whether part of the quotations may be trimmed; is it necessary/helpful in understanding the word?__Gamren (talk) 15:46, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- I think hagok, a noun, is good and should be kept. Finding written attestations of Tagalog words ranges from difficult to virtually impossible. —Stephen (Talk) 20:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- I agree.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- I agree. Despite being the national language (given the unification of Filipino and Tagalog), usage of the language in written form is very limited, since most written documents in the Philippines are in English, such as in the government, in business, and in the academe, and in literature. That is why most people are unfamiliar with more literary vocabulary found in the language, which are only privy to those who study Tagalog literature written more than a century ago, which not a lot of Filipinos get to read. Unlike in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand or Vietnam, where their national language is the default language in all cases. My point is that removing Tagalog from WT:WDL has a basis to it. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 06:03, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- I tried myself after my comment above and I failed to find anything durably archived besides dictionaries. I think this means we should probably take Tagalog off WT:WDL. What other editors should we check with before doing that? @Mar vin kaiser, Atitarev, Stephen G. Brown —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:57, 2 November 2016 (UTC)