Talk:chick with a dick

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chick with a dick

chick with dick

Gtroy created this, then nominated it for speedy deletion as it should be chick with dick. I disagree, for uncountable nouns it is usual to use an article for the singular, and then not for the plural. For example 'we have a dog', 'we have many dogs' (no article in the second). Mglovesfun (talk) 21:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Delete, I created this by accident and it's not ma fucking word it's a sentence!Lucifer (talk) 03:28, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

But isn't it SOP? Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 03:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

If I were going to use a singular of (deprecated template usage) chicks with dicks, I'd write (deprecated template usage) chick with a dick, but google returns over 600,000 hits for both phrases, with or without (deprecated template usage) a. ~ Robin (talk) 04:58, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Are the terms SOP? It's debatable... - -sche (discuss) 05:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

But I agree with Robin, I'd interpret "chick with a dick" as the singular and "chicks with dicks" as the plural, and if either entry was kept, I'd want to keep the other entry accordingly. - -sche (discuss) 05:10, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

• Sounds like the RFD should be for the ungrammatical chick with dick entry instead. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 05:14, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Being ungrammatical is all the case that chick with dick needs. I'm leaning towards keeping the other as well, since the meaning cannot be literal: if a person has a penis, then they are not a chick. It could be taken to metaphorically account for a characteristic of a woman, one who behaves as a man in e.g. giving orders, or to mean two people, a girl and her play toy, never mind the literal interpretation of a young male chicken. DAVilla 18:46, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

• My point about grammaticality was that I doubt that chick with dick can be verified -- my strong suspicion is that the form of this phrase actually used in the singular would be chick with a dick. But if folks can find citations, I'm happy. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 20:13, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I've shoe-horned it in. - -sche (discuss) 05:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Both kept. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 03:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

RFD discussion: April–May 2021

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chick with a dick

This passed RFD years ago, despite its own creator thinking it should be deleted and the single keep vote coming from someone who had apparently not bothered to read the definition. As @Equinox noted at Wiktionary:Tea room/2021/April#chick with a dick, the current definition is probably wrong, and if we redefine it to be "woman with a penis", then it's transparently SOP. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 22:18, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Wait, what? You really thought I didn't bother to read the definition? Why exactly? Because I listed alternative interpretations for everything other than the definition? That was the point, that it could be interpreted as something else. Don't you think it's a coincidence that I listed everything except the definition? Am I just wasting my time here? DAVilla 23:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

It could also be a hermaphrodite, and a trans woman may have had that part of her anatomy removed, but the term is rather lowbrow anyway, and I wouldn't miss it. It may have originated as a porn term for a shemale. DonnanZ (talk) 08:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. In addition to DonnanZ's comment, I strongly doubt that every instance of the dickgirl, to mention another lowbrow term, is supposed to be trans, but this collocation could also include that term. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 11:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
• Keep - a currently more polite term for a hermaphrodite is intersex, but nonetheless this is still a term not SOP. Facts707 (talk) 11:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

  Eh, no, intersex is not generally applicable to trans women. Despite your edit, the definition still seems incomplete. Also, I really doubt that the term would be applied to every intersex person with a penis. What is not SOP about the term? ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

  The previous text in Facts707's reply was ambiguous: "a more polite term is intersex". ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

  Sorry, updated defn. with "appears female..." and my previous comment "a currently more polite term for a hermaphrodite is intersex." Also I meant "narrows the possible combinations of 'chick' and 'dick' to one", e.g. it's not a young chicken with a detective. Facts707 (talk) 03:42, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

  @Facts707: That's not how idiomaticity works. If I say "she's a cute chick", you know I'm not talking about a bird (unless engaging in wordplay), but that doesn't make cute chick or she's a cute chick idiomatic. This is a dictionary composed of words and idiomatic expressions, not a collection of collocations that happen to have unambiguous semantics. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

• Delete as simple sum of parts --Frigoris (talk) 12:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• Keep. There are nuances of meaning (and connotation) that a reader unfamiliar with the term would not necessarily intuit. Consider this quote from a 1993 issue of Spy magazine: And, you know, we got to go down to film on Bourbon Street, so you know, you see a lot of interesting things. You know, chicks with dicks is big down there... I think it's guys with tits, but it's called chicks with dicks. As the speaker points out (crudely), the term refers only to AMAB individuals - it would not be used to describe an AFAB person with a packer, for example (except as a deliberate subversion/play on words). It's also highly resistant to substitution (we don't really see synonyms like girls with dicks or chicks with cocks). The term is also strongly associated with a particular period of time (roughly 90s to 2000's) when transgender people were becoming increasingly visible in the wider culture, but usually as objects of mockery or sexual fetishization. Hence why the term (along with tranny, which has a similar trajectory) is now considered highly offensive. All that is to say that, unlike green door, there's a lot to say about this term beyond what's conveyed by its constituent words. Colin M (talk) 17:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

  @Colin M "the term refers only to AMAB individuals". Except that it doesn't. At least in non-durable usage (typically NSFW), you can also find chick with a dick being used for 'futanari', 'dickgirls' and intersex people if you look around on Google. Sometimes it is implied (albeit seldom for 'dickgirl') in those contexts that the person in question is not to be considered AMAB. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

• Keep roughly per Colin M. The fact that it refers only to AMABs is important, I think. I'm pretty sure that someone who rejects transgender identity (like a TERF for example) and considers trans men to be women would still not refer to a trans man who's had a phalloplasty as a "chick with a dick". —Mahāgaja · talk 19:11, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

  @Mahagaja "The fact that it refers only to AMABs is important", not true, see reply to Colin M. Conservative opponents of trans rights often try to ignore trans men altogether and TERFs, for all their sins, are still radical feminists and aren't very likely to use chick in public discourse. That TERFs have an objectionable ideology doesn't magically cause them to talk like Beavis and Butt-Head. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

• Delete. There are no nuances. “Chick” is “someone who looks female” and “with a dick” “having a male member”. The reason for this odd combination is left to be imagined by the recipient. It means no more than this. Fay Freak (talk) 19:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per Colin M. Men who are effeminate to some degree in appearance, but still representing as men, are not referred to in this way even if could be said that they look female. bd2412 T 22:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

  @BD2412 This does not seem a convincing counter-example; it is unusual to use chick for an effeminate man. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

  In that case, for what sort of men is it usual to use chick? bd2412 T 18:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

  None, and that is the problem with your analysis. That the term isn't used of men is a property of chick, it's not particular to chick with a dick. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 14:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

  If the term "chick" not being used with men is a property of the term, but "with a dick" is typically a characteristic of men, then doesn't that render this phrase unparseable from its component parts? Along the lines of a horseless carriage or an Invisible Pink Unicorn? bd2412 T 17:29, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  @BD2412 No, that analysis implies that not having a penis is inherent to being woman, a view that Wiktionary obviously should not espouse. Besides, one could substitute chick with woman, girl, etc. and dick with penis, etc., so there's far too much substitutability to make entries based on this analysis. Note that your last example is oxymoronic (something cannot be pink and invisible, meant to coyly imply the hard atheist view that the existence of deities is logically impossible) and your first example seems exocentric to me (an automobile is not called a carriage anymore). ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Keep per Colin M. Imetsia (talk) 17:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

RFD-kept by no consensus. Imetsia (talk) 17:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)