Talk:阿鼻叫喚

RFV discussion: February–July 2021

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阿鼻叫喚

RfV for Chinese entry. Not recorded in 13 Chinese Buddhist dictionaries. --沈澄心✉ 09:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

But it's recorded in other Buddhist dictionaries ([1] [2]) as well as chengyu dictionaries ([3] [4]). Also quite a few of valid uses in Google Books. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 09:17, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@沈澄心: It should be cited, but I'm not sure if we should have the Buddhism label. It seems to be used in works from the early 1900s (as in the quotes added to the entry) or in later works translated from Japanese/Korean (which I haven't put in). @Frigoris, do you have any insight? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 17:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

@沈澄心, Justinrleung, I don't think the mere appearance in any dictionary counts as attestation by the standards of Wiktionary. For this word-form in particular I've no idea what it means until I can see it being used. Is it analysed as 叫喚 (crying) in 阿鼻, or 阿鼻 (= avīci) and 叫喚 (= roruva, both names of hells)? --Frigoris (talk) 07:13, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

@沈澄心, Justinrleung, Addendum: I didn't see the quotations earlier. Based on these quotations it seems to simply mean "hell" ("avīci and roruva"; hellish places). I don't think the "Buddhism" label is appropriate, since the exact phrase is quite rare in Buddhist texts. A search in the CBETA reveals zero hits. --Frigoris (talk) 07:29, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

• RFV passed. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 00:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)