Talk:肉粽

RFV discussion: July–September 2020

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肉粽

Rfv-sense: (Min Nan) zongzi (in general). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

My understanding is that it only refers to zongzi with meat fillings, not all zongzi, but I may be wrong. And in Singapore, we only use it to refer to the traditional Hokkien and Teochew styles too; it's not used to refer to Nyonya-style dumplings, which are instead called 娘惹粽. The dog2 (talk) 15:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@The dog2: I think you're right. Definitions from various Min Nan dictionaries (emphasis mine):

• 臺灣閩南語常用詞辭典: 用竹葉或月桃葉等包裹糯米、肉、香菇等食料，然後蒸煮製成的食品，是端午節的節慶食品。
• A dictionary of Southern Min (Embree): small packet of meat and rice (wrapped in a leaf and steamed, cf ké-chàng)
• Maryknoll Taiwanese-English Dictionary: glutinous rice pastry stuffed with meat and wrapped in bamboo leaves, then steamed or boiled
• 台日大辭典: 糯米に肉類を入れ竹の葉に包み蒸した角黍。
• 台日大辭典 (translated into Taiwanese): 有包肉ê粽。
• 臺灣閩南語辭典 (under 粽): 包肉、香菇、蛋黃等料
• Chinese-English dictionary of vernacular or spoken language of Amoy (Douglas, under tsàng): that confection made of rice and pork.
• 普通话闽南语词典 (under 粽): 包猪肉、栗子、虾干、香菇等的五香粽子
• 闽南方言大词典 (only has 燒肉粽 as an entry, just an excerpt of a longer definition): 烧肉粽的选料很讲究，不但糯米要精选，连香菇、虾米、栗子、猪肉都要精选。
• 新加坡闽南话词典: 用粳米等拌肉（最好是三层肉即五花肉）、香菇等加上调料，在锅里稍炒一下，然后拿起来，包在竹叶（或其他可以包粽子的某些植物叶子），扎紧后，放在锅里煮熟后即可吃
• Penang Hokkien Dictionary (bak1cang3): meat dumpling

They all agree that meat is an essential ingredient in 肉粽. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 17:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

In that case, we should just delete this sense then. The dog2 (talk) 18:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

• RFV failed. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 20:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)