Talk:თოკი

@კვარია, this is supposed to be the parent of the synonymous Armenian թոկ (tʻok). But does it have a native Kartvelian explanation? Compare Laz მთუკი (mtuǩi). If not, I prefer to derive all from Northern Kurdish toq. --Vahag (talk) 21:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Noone did this reconstruction, but assuming Proto-Georgian-Zan *toḳ-, not even Mingrelian would have to be assumed to have been borrowed from Georgian, or indeed the parallel forms of Laz. According to Kiria, there's also Laz თიჭი (tiç̌i) (vocalism from *u, cf. Laz ჩილი (çili)); I also found Laz თოჲჭი (toyç̌i) (which doesn't help because traditional sources doesn't comment on vocalisms like that). I don't know why Klimov doesn't comment on Laz მთუკი (mtuǩi) (assuming he was still alive when that part was being written). Klimov says compare Armenian, so what's that side of the story? კვარია (talk) 22:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

The Armenian is borrowed from Georgian, according to Acharyan. That is entirely possible, but I still wonder if Northern Kurdish toq is connected. Its meaning "rope, string" is found only in Armenian sources, so perhaps is influenced by Armenian թոկ (tʻok) and is not original. @Calak, do you find the sense "rope" of the Kurdish reliable? Vahag (talk) 19:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if it's any reassurance, but there's at least one other case where a very obvious and easy new root was missed: cf. Klimov-Xalilov, page 461. Klimov could've claimed it right there and then. Instead it went unnoticed until 2009. კვარია (talk) 19:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I know Klimov-Xalilov is not a good work. It sent us searching for a non-existent Armenian word at User_talk:Vahagn_Petrosyan/Archive_8#ბალახი. See now Etimologiuri dziebani 10, 2013, page 17 for a possible etymology of ტრაკი (ṭraḳi). Vahag (talk) 19:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)