Talk:зы
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Rfv-sense: son — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 04:52, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung, Mar vin kaiser: Admittedly, Dungan is a poorly documented language but I can't find this sense in my mini-dictionary. It has эрзы (erzɨ), though, which is a cognate of 兒子／儿子 (érzi). --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: I doubt it's used on its own in Dungan. It's really not used in any Mandarin dialects by itself to mean "son". @Lo Ximiendo, I know it's a few years back, but do you remember where you got this? — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 05:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: No worries, I just wanted to advise that 子 (zǐ) has this reading: зы (zɨ) in Dungan but the meaning can't be confirmed. Some translations seem weird and don't match the standard Chinese, which can also be expected, e.g. нүзы (nüzɨ) (cognate: 女子 (nǚzǐ, “woman”)) means "daughter", щүнди (xündi) (cognate: 兄弟 (xiōngdì, “brothers”)) means "younger brother", вонзы (vonzɨ) (cognate: 王子 (wángzǐ, “prince”)) means "king", however it makes wonder if the dictionary makers made a mistake or Dungan deviated from Mandarin to acquire new senses. Hard to trust these dictionaries. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:39, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: There's no doubt that 子 has this reading in Dungan, but I doubt that it is an independent word in Dungan. It's either part of a fossilized compound or a suffix. I'm not sure if we should include non-affixal bound morphemes for Dungan. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 06:06, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: No worries, I just wanted to advise that 子 (zǐ) has this reading: зы (zɨ) in Dungan but the meaning can't be confirmed. Some translations seem weird and don't match the standard Chinese, which can also be expected, e.g. нүзы (nüzɨ) (cognate: 女子 (nǚzǐ, “woman”)) means "daughter", щүнди (xündi) (cognate: 兄弟 (xiōngdì, “brothers”)) means "younger brother", вонзы (vonzɨ) (cognate: 王子 (wángzǐ, “prince”)) means "king", however it makes wonder if the dictionary makers made a mistake or Dungan deviated from Mandarin to acquire new senses. Hard to trust these dictionaries. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:39, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: I doubt it's used on its own in Dungan. It's really not used in any Mandarin dialects by itself to mean "son". @Lo Ximiendo, I know it's a few years back, but do you remember where you got this? — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 05:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- No evidence was provided. Rfv failed. Dokurrat (talk) 11:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC)