Talk:κύτος

Modern Greek borrowed?

@Sarri.greek I came to this page by κουτί (koutí), which is said to be from Ancient Greek κυτίον (kutíon), diminutive of κύτος (kútos). As often only diminutives are continued (as I know from experience with Romance languages as compared to Latin), and the form has changed from Ancient Greek κυτίον (kutíon) to κουτί (koutí), I doubted that Modern κύτος (kýtos) has been inherited parallely, especially with about the same meaning as κουτί (koutí). I might be wrong of course. (It was only the categorization.) Fay Freak (talk) 17:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Especially since the categories Greek learnedly borrowed terms and Greek terms borrowed from Ancient Greek contain three and fourteen entries respectively. This cannot match reality. Armenian has 454 and 514 respectively, and there is a lot yet left. Fay Freak (talk) 17:56, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Fay Freak, it is not my place to utter a word about etymologies, but since there are not many editors for modern greek, I add etys, always copying carefully from 3 sources

>>This cannot match reality<< True. DSMG (Template:R:DSMG) and the late Evangelos Petrounias who was responsible for its etymologies was very careful to add the word 'learned' (λόγ = λόγιος, intellectual) as you mention, for 'learned' ancient forms which were revived by archaists and other conservatives through the ages. In his writings, he labels them as 'diachronic borrowing'. But other dictionaries (mainly Babiniotis who is a conservative) do not bother to make such a distinction. The continuum of greek is an idée fixe with greek linguists. As i understand, they make a point of distinguishing from internal borrowings of other languages.

OF course, all you write about κουτί is true. As for κύτος it is a very αρχαιοπρεπής (archaioprepís) ('achaeoprepus, antique', different from αρχαϊκός 'archaic') word, obviously revived from ancient, but I do not know WHEN it was revived. Probably it has been used by intellectuals since hellenistic times.

Fay! PLEASE advise me: should i change all etymologies? I will have to go through ALL greek lemmata and redo them. Also, in el.wiktionary, we have only 'Originate' category (deriving) and I just created {bor}, noone wants {inh}, there is NO etymologist around... what should I do? Oh dear! 85.000 words... --sarri.greek (talk) 18:59, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

• Category Greek learnedly borrowed terms. The text there states (my bold): Greek terms that are learned loanwords, that is, words that were directly incorporated from another language instead of through normal language contact. So, there are for foreign, not greek words?
• and Greek terms borrowed from Ancient Greek they are alllll Katharevousa words, outside Standard Modern Greek: the reason they are so few, is because we have not created too many Katharevousa words. It is a whole dictionary of its own. --sarri.greek (talk) 20:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek It would be overrating the significance of the difference of borrowing and inheritance to go through the lists. You do more useful things if you add words and quotes, and you should do the things you are better in. I had left a comment on that matter on Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2019/April § Use a bot to orphan Template:etyl, relativizing: “Can Spanish actually borrow from Latin or is it just inheritance which the cultural technique of writing has made possible, to cache words on paper to later pick them up, oneself or one’s successors?”. Fay Freak (talk) 20:27, 22 June 2019 (UTC)