Module talk:id-pronunciation
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[edit]Firstly, the phonemic transcription of diphthongs should be always written with vowels (e.g. /ai/, /au/), not with glides (e.g. /aj/, /aw/). Although diphthongs are written out with glides in several languages such as Sundanese, Madurese, Lampung, I'm sure that many Indonesians, including myself, are unable to pronounce such vowel–glide sequences. Then, Indonesian allow heterorganic nasals normally, thus, tanpa /ˈtanpa/ is never pronounced as [ˈtampa], except possibly in fast speech, and it would (almost) merge with tampah ['tampah]. The word provinsi /prɔˈvinsi/ is also never pronounced as [prɔˈfiɲsi] (note awkward cluster), but always as [prɔˈfinsi]. If homorganization exists, then it is exceptional (bank should be re-transcribed as something like bangk or bang). I have already considered these issues since this module was first created. DDG9912 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @DDG9912 Just fixed the handling of phonemic diphthongs. It may be debatable, but handling those with vowel plus either /i/ or /u/, or glides (/j/ and /w/) is both valid. Also removed the nasal sandhi code. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 05:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. The issues of this template/module are now resolved. DDG9912 06:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Closed syllables
[edit]CMIIW. 'O' in closed syllables pronounced as /ɔ/. Example: proktor /prɔk̚tɔr/
It's similar to 'u' pronunciation in closed syllables as /ʊ/ ―Rex Aurōrum｢Disputātiō｣ 05:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Counting rhymes
[edit]Moved here from Rhymes talk:Indonesian:
- I know of no sources defining rhyme in Indonesian as being counted from the "stressed" syllables (here defaulted to penultimate position unless it begins with a schwa). Heck not even all linguists agree that stress falls on the penultimate syllable in Indonesian (or whether it has word-level stress at all). IMO rhyme should always be counted from the final syllable regardless of whether it is stressed or not; cf. the treatment in Rhymes:Malay
The onsets of final syllables are not necessarily counted, so e.g. Rhymes: -ar includes both pasar and mekar. Swarabakti (talk) 20:07, 3 February 2025 (UTC)