User talk:Sinek/Template:tr-conj

Negative forms of infinitives...

Are they worth another column at the very top? Like this:

		positive				negative
infinitive		bulmak				bulmamak
passive		bulunmak				bulunmamak
causative		buldurmak				buldurmamak
double causative		buldurtmak				buldurtmamak
causative-passive		buldurulmak				buldurulmamak

— [Ric Laurent] — 01:41, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

yiyelim, içeyim, içelim

I dunno what forms these are, but they're in Pimsleur's Turkish. Should their kinds be in the template? — [Ric Laurent] — 17:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Found it by accident lol... It's called "İstek kipi" in Turkish. I guess it's optative or subjunctive. öğren-e-yim, öğren-e-sin, öğren, öğren-e-lim, öğren-e-siniz, öğren-e-ler. Those ones. — [Ric Laurent] — 16:45, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeps, that's istek kipi, öğreneyim, for example, means "let me learn" or "I shall learn". I'll list it (and 3 more) under irrealis mood but I have to read about grammatical moods in Wikipedia in order to find the corresponding terms :) And about the negative forms of causative and passives, why not? Looks great. And about the ??? part, which says I couldn't find anything to fill, I guess there may be possible usages with cases, i.e. for bulmak, there may be nominative, accusative, locative and ablative. Sinek 13:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I dunno... I would say maybe the light infinitive (infinitive without the k) but I dunno... I guess we'll think of something lol — [Ric Laurent] — 13:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

"????"

Maybe put the "bulma" form there, apart from the other nominal derivations. I know it's a regularly-formed thing all verbs have. Actually I'm assuming on the "all" part... lol. :D

I think I've seen it described as the "short infinitive" or something like that? Dunno if it has a specific name in Turkish. Either way, that would eliminate the ???? bit - or if nothing else can be found to put there, we can just rearrange those cells and make the bottom-right one a blank grey cell, like the ones next to the future and imperative sections in the {{fa-conj}} templates. — [Ric Laurent] — 18:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, "bulma" is actually the verbal noun form (with "buluş" and "bulmak" itself) as in "tarağımı bulmaya çalışıyorum" - I'm trying to find my comb. And it's already stated in nominal derivations. Actually those three derivations are like the second meaning of "gerund". Off I don't know what to do :D Sinek 21:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Haha biliyorum, but I was just saying maybe it's special enough to get its own box. Also, I just realized maybe we should have the reciprocal infinitive listed with the causatives and stuff (the ones with -4ş- like sikişmek) — [Ric Laurent] — 03:10, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Aha! Reciprocal! I was going to add it but failed due to my laziness to search the English term for it :D Not all the verbs have reciprocal forms, but for those that have, it should be definitely added. Sinek 10:12, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd assume not all have causative or double causative, etc :) We can make those optional. You know I can do it :D — [Ric Laurent] — 14:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Of course I know dude, I do know :D And right, for example causative form of gitmek would be another verb, götürmek and just like that, gelmek-getirmek. And some verbs may have different passives than usual vowel/consonant-ending verbs. Failed to find an example but I'm pretty sure there are some :D Sinek 14:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)