User talk:rhmccullough

The entry you created (mKR) seems to have been a protologism and has been deleted. If you are sure that it is a real word, please provide evidence of this word being used in durably archived media (mainly printed books, and usenet groups) as required by our inclusion criteria. For a term to be included, it must be used by at least three different authors over more than a year, and the authors must be actually using the word, not just explaining its meaning or stating that it exists. If you can find any such quotations, please add them to Citations:mKR. Conrad.Irwin 16:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Conrad.Irwin 16:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

mKR

I just saved my quotations in Citations:mKR

I've added the quotes to the page (for the ones I could find) however I don't think this demonstrates independent usage as our CFI require. Conrad.Irwin 19:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

mKR

1. Thank you for filling in the "quotations". I didn't understand what the template "words" meant.

2. I'm having trouble understanding your requirements for "independence". My contacts have been spread through a number of different communities.

Icon and Unicon language developers (neither language in Wiktionary)

W3C standards developers - for RDF and OWL (both languages in Wiktionary)

Stanford University - TAP knowledge base

Cyc Corporation - Research Cyc and OpenCyc knowledge bases

mKR/mKE users

Rhmccullough 20:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

mKR

Does "independence" mean that I should go through the email archives and pick good examples of my interactions with

W3C, Stanford University, Cyc Corporation, mKRmKE users?

Rhmccullough 21:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

As you are the creator, independence would I suppose mean a group of people discussing it without you. Conrad.Irwin 22:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

mKR

Now that I have corrected the 2002 entry in the Citations, all the quotes were written by me. I could pick all Citations written by other people. But I was still involved in the discussions. I would be hard pressed to find cases where they continued the discussion of mKR without my input. Rhmccullough 23:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Sadly that's the point of CFI, we supposedly aren't interested in words that people make up on the spot - something to do with trying to appear respectable (though I doubt anything'll come of it ;). See you around. Conrad.Irwin 00:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

mKR

Just let me be sure I understand.

The only Citations that are acceptable are ones that someone else has written, addressed to some third person.

Is that correct?

Rhmccullough 00:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

At the very least, however there are other constraints, for example the meaning of the word must not be explained. Also this is the name of a specific entity, and as a rule they are not included (perl, VB6, Toshiba). While at the end of the day it is a community decision, I suspect that you are wasting your time in trying. Conrad.Irwin 00:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Citations:mKR

I can only think of two instances which sound like what you want.

A W3C developer listed mKR/mKE on his webpage of available tools for the Semantic Web.

A Unicon developer listed mKR/mKE on his webpage as an interesting project implemented using the Unicon language.

Would these two constitute sufficient Citations for mKR?

Rhmccullough 00:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

No, another criteria is that they must be durably archived, which (for the moment) we do not consider the internet to be (though usenet and mailing-lists are generally acceptable). If you read CFI it gives you the full details. Conrad.Irwin 00:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Citations:mKR

You already have a lot of specific entities in Wiktionary, e.g., Fortran, COBOL. Rhmccullough 00:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

True, possibly incorrectly - we're always imperfect. If you feel I'm being unfair, then file a Request for verification and let the community decide. Conrad.Irwin 00:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

PS. You can use the [edit] button on the right to reply to threads without always starting a new heading.

ok. using the [edit] button.

A related question -- what is the connection between entries in Wiktionary and Wikipedia? I noticed today that "Notation 3", aka "N3", (another programming language used by W3C personnel) is on Wikipedia but not on Wiktionary. Rhmccullough 01:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an attempt to build an encyclopedia run by the Wikimedia foundation, Wiktionary is an attempt to build a multilingual dictionary run by the same foundation. Two seperate projects, though we share several contributors. Conrad.Irwin 08:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Citations:mKR

I did a Google search on links to my website, and found 4 new quotes. Rhmccullough 09:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I've started a wider discussion at WT:RFV#mKR as I'm clearly not communicating well enough with you. Please feel free to comment there, though you may have to wait for several for a decision from that page. Conrad.Irwin 10:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

MKR, MKE

I notice that the Wiktionary search engine already maps MKR to mKR, and MKE to mKE. Rhmccullough 06:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I have created two good entries for mKR and mKE.

User:rhmccullough/Sandbox/mKR

User:rhmccullough/Sandbox/mKE

Rhmccullough 07:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I did not include adjective meaning for mKR and mKE. How important is it? Rhmccullough 07:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The adjective meaning is likely only attributive use of the noun, so not important (unless you can find cites showing it to mean something else). The example sentences that you provide should be in italics and not read like advertising. Conrad.Irwin 08:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The uses I was thinking of -- "mKR language" and "mKE program" -- are redundant, but I think pretty common in everyday speech. Is that "attributive"? Is that acceptable grammatical practice?

I didn't mean those examples to be "advertising" -- just "interesting" and "meaningful". Do you have some suggestions for "neutral" statements? Rhmccullough 08:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that's attributive, but I don't think its an adjective either (though I'm not certain either way). The new examples are better, thank you. Conrad.Irwin 16:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKR_%28programming_language%29 Rhmccullough 21:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

That looks ok, and it's the kind of thing that might be included over there, maybe best to concentrate on building up that article as opposed to wrangling for a dictionary entry. Conrad.Irwin 21:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I've had a go at improving w:mKR (programming language) by using some of the more advanced wikisyntax - you may (of course) revert my changes, or further build upon them. Conrad.Irwin 22:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I like your changes. I think you have greatly improved the look of the page. Thanks! Rhmccullough 22:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. You may wish to review my attempt to highlight keywords in the syntax as I've never used the language before. Conrad.Irwin 23:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I was doing exactly that just before I came back here. You did pretty good -- only missed a couple of keywords. A lot of the professional scholars like to make the keywords bold -- makes for easier reading, but detracts from the "English-like" nature of mKR. Rhmccullough 23:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Initial letter

Due to the software we use, username's all start with an upper-case letter. It's possible that adding {{DISPLAYTITLE:User:rhmccullough}} will make it appear with a lowercase letter, but I don't know if that feature is turned on here. Wiktionary only redirects to your lowercase page because we found that people often mixed initial case up, and so if a page exists with the lowercase title, a hacky javascript redirection sends them to where we assumed they meant to go. If an entry is created with an uppercase letter, or if there is no corresponding lowercase entry, then the redirect doesn't happen; see Adsdsdssdsds or Pension for example. Conrad.Irwin 16:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Sounds complicated. Can't say I really understand. I don't recall having this problem on Wikipedia. Maybe I'm all Rhmccullough there, and didn't notice. I notice you managed to get a lower case "m" in "mKR (...)". Is it just the Template:lowercase that did it? I plan to study the new "raw" page, and see how you worked your magic on the display. Rhmccullough 22:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Their {{lowercase}} is just a wrapper for DISPLAYTITLE so it depends whether that feature is turned on on Wiktionary or not. TO test it I've included the magic word in this edit. Conrad.Irwin 23:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Appears not to work, sorry. You'll just have to add a note like msh210 does. Conrad.Irwin 23:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Infobox reply

I've replied on my talk page Conrad.Irwin 14:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)