User talk:Mannrinn

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Apisite (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

gnógur

Is this a real term? As Icelandic is a well documented language a term needs three attestations to be included on the dictionary. ᛙᛆᚱᛐᛁᚿᛌᛆᛌ ᛭ Proto-Norsing ᛭ Ask me anything 19:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

You can see attestations here http://ritmalssafn.arnastofnun.is/daemi/156930 and a rather recent one here https://hjalli.com/2019/09/02/minning-um-ragnar-s-halldorsson/ “Á sunnudögum réðum við svo krossgátuna saman. Ragnar var margfróður og oftar en ekki var svo gripið til ýmissa uppflettirita en af þeim var gnógt á heimili Ragnars og Margrétar.” Mannrinn (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Minor spelling mistakes in the edit summary

Hello @Mårtensås . I spelt two words wrong in the edit summary. I spelt “attectations” when it should have been spelt ‘attestations’ and I spelt “hér” when it should have been spelt ‘here’. Mannrinn (talk) 22:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts on making a consistent choice for how to spell long ø

Hello, I’ve noticed that there’s some disagreement about how to spell the long ø sound (variously spelled like <œ> or <ǿ>), but this has led to a lot of inconsistent entry forms. Could we therefore stick with one and add {{alt sp}} to the other? My suggestion is <ǿ>, as it’s a long ø, so the most logical would be to showcase it as that (similar to <ó> for long o etc.). It also has the largest historical basis, being used across the West Nordic language area (along with <ꝍ>), including Iceland. You listed a few examples of œ being used historically, but these texts seem to use a variant of ꝍ, and I would rather count them as examples of that character instead of œ. However you are correct that it has some historical use, but this is largely constricted to East Norwegian where it’s a ligature of <oe>.

Here are two pages from Vestnorske maalføre fyre 1350 (Norwegian) addressing my points above: File:Hægstad.pdf. I hope the Norwegian is not too much of a problem, but I don’t have any English or Icelandic literature for this. Eiliv / ᛅᛁᛚᛁᚠᛦ (talk) 11:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Eiliv. Entry forms were consistently spelled with ‘œ’ until you and @Mårtensås started moving pages that were spelled with ‘œ’ and creating new pages with ‘ǿ’ and practically erasing the ‘œ’ spelling in Old Norse on Wiktionary since you almost never added ‘œ’ as an alternative form. This can make using Wiktionary for one quite inconvenient. The letter ‘œ’ does have historical use outside of East Norwegian and is commonly used in publications up to this day. Notable publications that I will mention are Etymological Dictionary of Proto-Germanic (Leiden Indo-European Etymological Dictionary Series; 11), A Handbook of Germanic Etymology, publications by Hið íslenzka bókmenntaféfag and a recent one for good measure The Old Norse Poetic Meter Kviðuháttr as a Medium for History's Verdict. I think that both spellings should exist on Wiktionary, not one or the other. One can compare how the pages œskja and ýskja are. Mannrinn (talk) 17:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Having two pages with identical content (like your given example) is very impractical since all changes need to be applied twice. We should pick a standardised spelling and have the other one as an "alternative spelling of" entry. ǿ, apart from having historical use (e.g. in the First Grammatical Treatise), is consistent with the practice of marking long vowels with an acute accent, ǿ being the long form of ø, whereas œ exists on its own. Another problem with œ is that it is easily confused with æ, especially in italics (œ, æ). For these reasons the Copenhagen Dictionary of Old Norse Prose uses ǿ rather than œ. As for the form Wiktionary should use, that's up to us editors. Maybe we should vote? ᛙᛆᚱᛐᛁᚿᛌᛆᛌ ᛭ Proto-Norsing ᛭ Ask me anything 20:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

"vittu"

I found it mildly interesting (and amusing) that "vittu" (which, in Finnish, is a common vulgarity) is a non-lemma form of two Icelandic words. I would like to add these to the "vittu" page, but since I don't speak Icelandic (or anything analogous to it), I would like confirmation from a native Icelandic speaker that I haven't missed something.

Icelandic

Verb

1. second-person singular imperative active of vinda (with appended personal pronoun)
2. second-person singular imperative active of vita (with appended personal pronoun)

Wikiuser4815162342 (talk) 10:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

These are enclitic forms. For example: vittu, vit þú, vit (know (thou)). Other examples are: dragðu, drag þú, drag (drag (thou)) and sofðu, sof þú, sof (sleep (thou)). The enclitic form of the verbs vita and vinda, vittu, existed in Old Norse. The non-lemma form, vittu, is only a form of the two aforementioned verbs in Icelandic and Old Norse. You can look at the page for the pronoun þú for both Icelandic and Old Norse for more information relating to this. Mannrinn (talk) 06:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. The þú page does clear things up. Interesting that the enclitic forms already existed in Old Norse! These forms could perhaps be added to the Old Norse conjugation table templates Wikiuser4815162342 (talk) 17:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)