User talk:CedarForest14

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Ultimateria (talk) 19:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hey, welcome to Wiktionary, great to see someone taking up Salishan languages here on Wiktionary.

I have a small request/suggestion, and that is whether you could add sources to entries you make? It's useful for the readers to know where we get our information from, and I assume you're following some kind of dictionary and/or grammar when creating your entries. The easiest way to add sources is to create a reference template (cf. for instance {{R:esu:Jacobson:2012}}) and add it under the "References" header on each entry (like at kegluneq).

Don't hesitate to ask me anything if you run into any questions or problems! Thadh (talk) 18:53, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for reaching out. I've created a template at {{R:lut:Bates:1994}}, which is the source for nearly if not all Lushootseed entries on the site. I'll try to go back & add it to as many entries missing it as I go along, but if you see any missed, feel free to add it, as I doubt any other source has been used on here for the basic semantic details. I'll add further reference templates where needed.

Thanks again! CedarForest14 (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Seeking references for Lushootseed marking of intentionality

Over on StackExchange, John Lawler posted an answer to a question about any languages that might inflectionally mark for volition or intention. He wrote that Lushootseed did so, and from one of his examples (which contrasted pour and spill) I extracted the segment dxʷ, which I've found here described as "expressing lack of full control on the part of an agent." That's exactly the kind of thing I'm trying to learn more about.

I see from the entry's history that it was you who created it. So because Professor Lawler has, I was sad to learn, recently died. it is to you that I come in the hopes of obtaining references that document the examples he provided in his StackExchange answer... or any other similar examples that you may know of. Any help would be greatly appreciated. PaulTanenbaum (talk) 20:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Lautu Chin

Just a kindly reminder you should use Lautu Chin instead of Lutuv. In doubt, you should consider contact editors about the name so it would not create Pages with nonstandard language headings. 46.161.82.67 20:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I second that. All entries in a given language should have the same language header. If Lutuv is better, go to WT:RFM and get it changed (it will take a while, but the entries can be changed by bot). I just found out about this from Category:Lautu Chin entries with incorrect language header, and it will show up in cleanup lists such as Wiktionary:Todo/Lists/Template language code does not match header once those are updated. I notice that pretty much all of our Lautu Chin content was added by you, mostly in a single day- I hope you know what you're doing. Meanwhile, I'm going to change the language headers to match what's in the modules, unless you beat me to it. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done Chuck Entz (talk) 02:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do about getting the headers fixed on WT:RFM, though my inclination is always to use as the sources say to do, especially if said sources work with speakers of the given language. Lutuv is the correct native name for the language, as used by its speakers, and the preferred name in current scholarship on the language, meaning it is the default that I use, per the sources attached to each entry. As for whether or not I "know what I'm doing," I have done work with the language and native speakers of it, but more importantly you'll find that each entry is appropriately sourced to recently-published scholarship on the language, as can easily be viewed at any of these entries. Assistance in determining how to make the change would be appreciated. CedarForest14 (talk) 03:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Just start a topic at WT:RFM or WT:BP requesting the language name to be changed on Wiktionary from Lautu Chin to Lutuv, with an explanation as to why. As for my "I sure hope you know what you're doing" comment: that was more because I know pretty much nothing about the language than lack of confidence in your judgement. I figure that working with Salishan languages is pretty good at weeding out anyone who isn't either competent in linguistics or a native speaker- I still remember an example Dr. Bright gave in a UCLA phonology class back in the '80s that consisted of 13 consonants with no vowels, and that he said meant "I saw those two women come this way out of the water". Chuck Entz (talk) 03:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)