User talk:AtalinaDove

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Requests for pronunciation

Greetings, I for one do not think they are very helpful. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi! I've been making several Memrise courses, and Wiktionary is one of my main resources for finding the information to complete the columns I have added for words on those courses. This is the reason I often request pronunciation information, as I like to include IPA on my Memrise courses for information. As far as I can tell, it's not harmful to request pronunciation information, even if it doesn't seem like the most necessary thing. I'm pretty new to Wiktionary, so I'm not totally comfortable making big edits yet, so perhaps it seems like I'm simply here to gain information for myself, but I hope to eventually be able to contribute as much as I gain from others' contributions. --AtalinaDove (talk) 19:41, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I should say as a disclaimer that opinions differ as to how useful these requests are. I for one believe they do not increase the rate at which pronunciation is provided, and they make pages look uglier. They do not harm much, but they do harm the aesthetics a little. There is a good chance they will stay there for a very long time. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:45, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

From my experience, it depends on the language how beneficial they are. My Hungarian requests are usually taken care of within a couple of days, though the Norwegian Bokmål ones take a lot longer. --AtalinaDove (talk) 19:47, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm glad you feel you are making a "contribution". --Dan Polansky (talk) 22:03, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand where you are coming from with your last statement. I explicitly stated earlier that I wish I was comfortable enough with editing and the format Wiktionary uses to make more contributions other than simply requesting for others to contribute for me. Nowhere did I ever say I felt like I was making some great heroic contribution, and I personally do not appreciate your tone. --AtalinaDove (talk) 22:13, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Please don't pay any heed to Dan. He enjoys being rude to new editors. But do note that you can add the Hungarian pronunciations yourself using {{hu-IPA}}, which automatically generates them. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 22:16, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you - I was unaware of that! --AtalinaDove (talk) 22:20, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I suspect the Norwegian requests will remain there for years. DonnanZ (talk) 22:19, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

And I don't appreciate editors filling Wiktionary with pointless requests, especially by people who seem to have nothing else to contribute. --Dan Polansky (talk) 22:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

So, now that I'm a little more comfortable making edits, I would like to start adding IPA on my own for Norwegian, but it's very hard to find resources. I have found one Norwegian to German dictionary that provides IPA for the Norwegian words (though it doesn't seem to have most inflections and also some more common words), but is one source reliable enough? Would I need to cite it in entries? You can find the one I found at de.pons.com --AtalinaDove (talk) 21:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Removing bluelinks from request pages

Thank you for removing bluelinks from our request pages. It would be pretty cool if you were able to remove multiple items in one edit, thereby generating fewer edits. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

I wish there was an easy way to see whether links are blue or not when you are editing a page. I have trouble remembering a lot of foreign words at once, so I only trust myself to remove a couple words at a time. Maybe I could go through a page and write down a list, and then do the edit all at once. --AtalinaDove (talk) 17:05, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Click 'Preview'. Also, be careful that they don't have a section in other languages but not in that one, even if they're blue. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 17:17, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Also, I do always check for the specific language it's requested in, which is why this is so tedious. A quick unrelated question - are emojis common on talk pages? --AtalinaDove (talk) 17:20, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Go to WT:PREFS and find the gadget for orange links. It makes pages that exist but not with the specific language turn up orange (works for templates like {{l}}, but not plain links in [[]], so you still have to check the preview to know whether you should check the page. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 05:13, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for yet another tip! You're super helpful and making life much easier as I try to figure out how everything works. --AtalinaDove (talk) 05:52, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Word selection

May I ask you how you pick the Hungarian words you edit or create? --Panda10 (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Panda10 Sure! I jump links mostly. It's more fun than going through a list that way. --AtalinaDove (talk) 20:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Though if you'd prefer I use a list or if there are categories with words that are ranked as more useful or in demand I'd be glad to help that way, too, though with my knowledge of Hungarian I can basically only do inflections at this point --AtalinaDove (talk) 21:07, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

It might be more useful to work from the Wiktionary:Frequency lists/Hungarian webcorpus frequency list. It contains 10,000 words, the majority are inflected. You would have to search for the red linked word first and if it returns the lemma then you can create the inflected word, if it does not return the lemma, no need to add it. If this is too hard, then pick one noun or one verb from the frequency list and create all its inflected forms. The reason I said noun or verb is because it seems that you can fully create noun and verb forms, while I still have to add declension to the adjective forms and possessive forms. Another task could be just to replace the current IPA with {{hu-IPA}}. Please keep in mind that I have to patrol your edits and this takes a lot of time because you are so prolific. :) Not to mention that if I don't patrol for a few days, it will add up. Einstein2 was kind enough to help but I can't expect him to do this. Let me know if this is something you would be willing to do. BTW, good work with the hyphenations. You picked up the rules quickly. --Panda10 (talk) 00:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

@Panda10 Sounds fine to me - I'll start working from there, and leave the adjective forms alone for now until I figure out the whole declension table thing. Glad to be of any help. xD I enjoy this kind of editing too much. Next week I won't be online because I'll be at a camp, though. If it is ever too much at once, let me know and I'll figure out some other language's format and split my edits (or find some other alternative) so there's not so much to patrol in so short a time. --AtalinaDove (talk) 00:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Do you use the accelerated creation tool for noun and adjective forms? If not, go to Preferences, Gadgets, Editing Gadgets and check the "Add accelerated creation links for common inflections of some words" checkbox. Then click Save. This is not enabled for verbs because I was told it will not work if the forms are not unique. After enabling this, go back to the declension table and click the form link. The page will be pre-populated with some information. You still have to add the etymology and pronunciation sections but at least the rest is created automatically and less room for mistakes. --Panda10 (talk) 13:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

@Panda10 I don't - I wasn't sure if I was allowed to use it before, but I'll try it out now. Thanks for the tip - retyping every entry is tiresome for my fingers xD. --AtalinaDove (talk) 16:25, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your diligent work. I just wanted to ask you. When you add etymology and pronunciation to new non-lemma entries, do you type? Or do you copy and paste the repeatable elements? I usually keep a text file next to my browser and copy-paste sections, then insert the appropriate non-lemma entry. For example, copy/paste this:

===Etymology===
{{hu-suffix||nocat=y}}

===Pronunciation===
* {{hu-IPA}}
* {{hyphenation||lang=hu}}

Then copy/paste the headword and add the vertical bars at the appropriate places. --Panda10 (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

@Panda10 I copy and paste a similar thing, but I hadn't added the "nocat=y" and the "lang=hu" at the end of the lines. That's smarter, because sometimes I type the wrong one and have to fix it. A quick question - When there is a word that is both an adjective and a noun, and its declensions are the same for both the adjective and the noun, when I create a page for a declension, should I put the two forms as separate etymologies? Thanks again, AtalinaDove (talk) 20:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd say one ety section would be fine. @Einstein2: What do you think? --Panda10 (talk) 20:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

I also think that one section is enough; English entries are handled the same way (e.g. fixes#English). --Einstein2 (talk) 20:35, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

@Einstein2: Yes, but English non-lemma entries do not have ety sections, only pronunciation. So do you still think one ety is enough? --Panda10 (talk) 21:06, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I do. --Einstein2 (talk) 09:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

Atalina, I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your contributions and persistent work. What you are doing is extremely helpful. --Panda10 (talk) 17:36, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

@Panda10 Thanks! You just made my day. --AtalinaDove (talk) 17:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

testépítő

Atalina, the hyphenation of compound words follows rule #12 in Appendix:Hungarian hyphenation. So for testépítő, a compound of test + építő is test-épí-tő, not tes-té-pítő. --Panda10 (talk) 21:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Whoops, thanks for pointing that out. --AtalinaDove (talk) 21:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

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Hi

Hi Atalina, welcome back. Thanks for creating and updating Hungarian non-lemma words. Unfortunately, I don't have time to double check such high volume of entries. I wish I could spend more time, but right now I can't. I just wanted to let you know and was wondering if you are planning to continue. --Panda10 (talk) 13:38, 3 April 2017 (UTC)