Template talk:gd-mut-vowel
Add topicLatest comment: 2 years ago by Buidhe in topic Hyphens before capital letters
@Mulder1982: Scottish Gaelic doesn't actually have eclipsis, does it? At least not by prefixing n- to a vowel, right? The genitive plural of asal is nan asalan, isn't it, not *na n-asalan? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 09:19, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- I talked to people who have learned Scottish Gaelic before I added this and from what they told me this does exist. But you're more than welcome to remove it if this turns out not to be true. Mulder1982 (talk) 12:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Catrìona, Embryomystic, MacTire02: What do you guys think? Do you ever get n- prefixed to a vowel in Scottish Gaelic? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Mulder1982, Angr: Actually, you are both correct. The genitive plural of words starting with vowel is nan asalan, nan aran, etc., except in very old writings with nonstandard spelling. However, after the plural possessive pronouns ur (your) and ar (our) there is a prosthetic n-: ur n-athair, ar n-asal. See Colin Mark's dictionary, page 661. Google can verify that the Lord's Prayer begins "Ar n-athair a tha air nèamh". However, eclipsis is not the right word as is unrelated to the process that gives us "i nGaeilge" or leads the g in "ann an Gàidhlig" to be elided in some SG dialects. Can elaborate if needed. Catrìona (talk) 03:47, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Catrìona: Since Irish also has ár n-athair and bhur n-asal as forms of eclipsis, I think it's acceptable to call it eclipsis for Scottish Gaelic too; we just have to recognize that eclipsis in gd is more limited than it is in ga. The advantage is that we can use
{{eclipsis of}}for such forms and categorize them into CAT:Scottish Gaelic eclipsed forms (parallel to CAT:Irish eclipsed forms and CAT:Old Irish eclipsed forms). Otherwise we'd have to create a new{{n-prothesis of template}}and a CAT:Scottish Gaelic n-prothesized forms (cf. CAT:Scottish Gaelic t-prothesized forms), which seems silly given the close parallel to Irish. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 09:17, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Catrìona: Since Irish also has ár n-athair and bhur n-asal as forms of eclipsis, I think it's acceptable to call it eclipsis for Scottish Gaelic too; we just have to recognize that eclipsis in gd is more limited than it is in ga. The advantage is that we can use
- @Mulder1982, Angr: Actually, you are both correct. The genitive plural of words starting with vowel is nan asalan, nan aran, etc., except in very old writings with nonstandard spelling. However, after the plural possessive pronouns ur (your) and ar (our) there is a prosthetic n-: ur n-athair, ar n-asal. See Colin Mark's dictionary, page 661. Google can verify that the Lord's Prayer begins "Ar n-athair a tha air nèamh". However, eclipsis is not the right word as is unrelated to the process that gives us "i nGaeilge" or leads the g in "ann an Gàidhlig" to be elided in some SG dialects. Can elaborate if needed. Catrìona (talk) 03:47, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Catrìona, Embryomystic, MacTire02: What do you guys think? Do you ever get n- prefixed to a vowel in Scottish Gaelic? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- I talked to people who have learned Scottish Gaelic before I added this and from what they told me this does exist. But you're more than welcome to remove it if this turns out not to be true. Mulder1982 (talk) 12:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Hyphens before capital letters
[edit]@Mulder1982, Buidhe, adding |uc=yes will eliminate the hyphen before a capital letter after "n-" and "t-", though not after "h-". Is that right? I thought that Scottish Gaelic (unlike Irish) always kept the hyphens before capital letters. Isn't it ar n-Athair, gu h-Alba, an t-Albanach? Or is it ar nAthair, gu h-Alba, an tAlbanach as the template currently produces? —Mahāgaja · talk 14:07, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- First one is correct (eg. [1]) Buidhe (talk) 16:23, 28 August 2022 (UTC)