Talk:welaryzowany
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Ditto. Vininn126 (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- The situation looks similar to the one with the verb, but in this case, it seems to be more common (it's also used in some Polish Wikipedia article names). Besides that, it's also listed by the previous sources. Mazab IZW (talk) 15:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- And though I'm aware that Wikipedia is made by online contributors, I linked the article as it's a pretty good example of the term actually being used. Mazab IZW (talk) 15:02, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Mazab IZW We have to be really careful with linking wikipedia. I'd prefer to have citations outside of wikipedia. As a general rule of thumb, when adding a term outside one of the major dictionaries, you should find citations first. Vininn126 (talk) 15:06, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's understandable. I thought the terms are the verb/adjective counterparts of "welaryzacja" (Google searches I made showed them used by some people and I couldn't find any other words that would've had the same meaning as "velarize"/"velarized"), though I admit I made a mistake by not checking them thoroughly. While the terms seem to be used by some people, I can't find any other citations (besides some forum/blog posts I found, but I don't think those count) that mention these terms. In the future, I will be sure to remember about finding citations for less common terms first.
- Do you want me to submit the entries to Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Non-English? Mazab IZW (talk) 15:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- We could probably go ahead and do that. Thanks for understanding. I will add - that's a completely understandable mistake, these definitely SHOULD be words, and who knows, maybe in the future we'll be able to re-add them ;)
- Resolved Vininn126 (talk) 15:30, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Wait a second, "welaryzowany" is a term used in the Polish IPA chart located at https://www.internationalphoneticassociation.org/.
- I was also able to find some other citations for the adjective:
- https://ispan.waw.pl/journals/index.php/sfps/article/view/sfps.1653/5562 uses welaryzowany and its forms 9 times, for example in "Mimo to w analizowanym materiale można zauważyć pewne prawidłowości, a mianowicie – występowanie welaryzowanego [ɫ] na Śląsku ograniczało się do trzech (mniej lub bardziej) zwartych obszarów."
- https://apcz.umk.pl/LinCop/article/download/LinCop.2009.011/6695/0 (downloads the PDF file immediately after clicking) uses it once in "...a pozostała część Europy ma tzw. średnioeuropejskie [l] (dziąsłowe nie welaryzowane)." Mazab IZW (talk) 15:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- If you add those citations, I'd feel comfortable removing the rfv tags. Vininn126 (talk) 15:41, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Mazab IZW We have to be really careful with linking wikipedia. I'd prefer to have citations outside of wikipedia. As a general rule of thumb, when adding a term outside one of the major dictionaries, you should find citations first. Vininn126 (talk) 15:06, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- And though I'm aware that Wikipedia is made by online contributors, I linked the article as it's a pretty good example of the term actually being used. Mazab IZW (talk) 15:02, 30 December 2021 (UTC)