Talk:vegetable soup

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vegetable soup

Sum of parts, cf. mushroom soup = soup made of mushrooms, noodle soup = soup made of noodles. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 09:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Keep, since Collins[1] has it. I am not really sure, but I do not care to dig any deeper. Nothing better to do, such as adding to those meagre 2174 edits in the mainspace? Later: my mistake, there are 1260 edits in the mainspace; 2174 is the total over all namespaces. --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:45, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
  • What are you referring to? What edits? And what does it have to do with vegetable soup? TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Later: I think the idea would be, if we are to keep a host of soup names--and we are going to do so, since many have non-transparent names, including French onion soup and some other items in Category:en:Soups--then we should better keep common names of soups that are transparent. --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

    And "vegetable soup" is not a common name for a soup. It's usually only used as a generalization of more specific soups. You're never gonna go to a restaurant and see on the menu "vegetable soup". --WikiTiki89 18:38, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

    That's simply not true. google books:"ordered vegetable soup" and various twitter hits, and copies of menus on various websites like urbanspoon, etc, demonstrate that "vegetable soup" is on many menus. (That doesn't make it idiomatic, of course.) - -sche (discuss) 22:40, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

    "ordered vegetable soup" doesn't necessarily mean that that's what it said on the menu. But I'll admit that I was exaggerating and have no evidence to back me up. --WikiTiki89 23:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Delete. I see no reason for keeping it whatsoever. --WikiTiki89 16:20, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Delete (from Collins too... heh). Equinox ◑ 17:57, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Comment we have (deprecated template usage) shark fin soup and (deprecated template usage) chicken soup. Do these have specific cultural connotations that vegetable soup does not? I can't tell, maybe some good citations would convince me, otherwise abstain. Ƿidsiþ 18:05, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  Chicken soup has acquired connotations beyond just "soup made from chicken". Shark fin soup hasn't as far as I know. --WikiTiki89 18:21, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Keep it. And mulligatawny is also called mulligatawny soup. Donnanz (talk) 19:01, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  I don't see the relevance of mulligatawny in a discussion on "vegetable soup". --WikiTiki89 19:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  We're discussing two varieties of soup, and if there was an entry for mulligatawny soup, you would be wanting to delete that as well. Donnanz (talk) 19:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Weak keep on reflection. Carrot soup, and leek and potato soup, are both made of vegetables but they are not vegetable soup. Ƿidsiþ 20:24, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  Aren't they? Carrot soup and leek soup are most definitely types of vegetable soup. Potato on the other hand... well who considers potato to be a vegetable anyway? --WikiTiki89 20:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Delete. --Hekaheka (talk) 21:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Delete. Food names are a grey area, since the recipes for particular named foods (which could be viewed as the food names' definitions) routinely contain more than the food names suggest or are restricted in ways the food names do not suggest. Putting beans on a baking sheet and heating them in an oven does not result in baked beans, for example, except in the {{&lit}} sense which is currently missing from our entry. And not every meatball ever made in Königsberg was a Königsberger Klops. But vegetable soup is very close to the entirely white (=erased, deleted leaving a blank page, in contrast to black = printed, kept/keepable) side of the grey area — the side that I think is the providence of cookbooks, not dictionaries. - -sche (discuss) 23:00, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Keep --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:19, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
• Keep but the definition is wrong. Vegetable soup does not have one vegetable, but many, and usually of a fairly standard mix. So it would be wrong to label carrot soup or potato soup as vegetable soup. This fact alone should get it over the line. --Dmol (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

  I disagree that it would be wrong to label carrot soup as vegetable soup. --WikiTiki89 01:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

  Of course it is different. Carrot soup has carrots, potato soup has potatoes, onion soup has onion. But vegetable soup is a fairly standarised mix of particular vegetables. I have changed the definition to reflect this. --Dmol (talk) 01:49, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

  All carrot soups are vegetable soups, but not all vegetable soups are carrot soups. --WikiTiki89 03:04, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

  No, if I asked for vegetable soup and I got carrot soup, I would consider that incorrect. I could also get a mix of radish, choko, and yams, and this would not normally be called vegetable soup. VS is a specific, (or at least typical) selection of vegetables, making this idiomatic. Of course this entry could/should also have a definition of {{&lit}} for the base words. --Dmol (talk) 09:03, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

• Delete SOP. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 18:04, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
• Delete. Wyang (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
• An interesting search: vegetable soup, a vegetable soup, the vegetable soup, vegetable soups at the Google Books Ngram Viewer., courtesy of {{R:GNV}}. --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
• Keep. Specific dish, translations, and not equivalent to "vegetable" + "soup": a "carrot soup" or "potato soup" would be a [[vegetable]] [[soup]]; [[vegetable soup]] is specifically a soup made from a mix of vegetables, as mentioned above. — LlywelynII 12:24, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Kept. bd2412 T 13:41, 28 February 2014 (UTC)