Talk:taaramaa
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About etymology
[edit]Any idea about taarama's etymology? I only have the targamak option. I can't think of anything else. taramaa is pronounced differently, so it can't be. What do you think? @Yorınçga573 @AmaçsızBirKişi @Ardahan Karabağ - BurakD53 (talk) 23:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it's from ta:r- 'to disperse, or divide up (transitive)'?[1]. Vowel length checks out. I could not find anything that can be somehow related to the sense "winning" in Clauson's dictionary
- Also Tietze, Andreas (2002, 2009) “dar-”, in Tarihi ve Etimolojik Türkiye Türkçesi Lügati [Historical and Etymological Dictionary of Turkish] (in Turkish), Istanbul, Vienna, page 310, with the meaning "dağıtmak, perişan etmek". AmaçsızBirKişi (talk) 17:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point, thank you. I agree with you. *ta:r- can be the root. I thought *targa- > *tagra- > taara- first, but it's semantically incompatible, it's more like to lose than to win. Moreover, *targa- is intransitive while taaramaa is transitive. BurakD53 (talk) 00:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- When I saw *ta:r-, I thought of a semantic shift of 'to disperse, divide up' > 'to make the enemy flee' > 'to win'. If the Gagauz term is transitive, then there's no reason to not include this etym. especially since Clauson mentions this root being preserved in "NE, NC and NW languages" (which probably also includes Gagauz).
- I suggest citing Tietze and Clauson (the for this etymology, but if you have something else on your mind, please tell.
- AmaçsızBirKişi (talk) 15:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you. Dediğin gibi olsun. BurakD53 (talk) 18:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Bu etimolojiyi ekledim, başka kaynaklara bakmadım o yüzden yanlış olabilir. AmaçsızBirKişi (talk) 10:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you. Dediğin gibi olsun. BurakD53 (talk) 18:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point, thank you. I agree with you. *ta:r- can be the root. I thought *targa- > *tagra- > taara- first, but it's semantically incompatible, it's more like to lose than to win. Moreover, *targa- is intransitive while taaramaa is transitive. BurakD53 (talk) 00:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest, I couldn't find any reliable sources about that. It could be a loanword from an ancient extinct language because not even Romanian and Moldovan have similar word to Gagauz. Ardahan Karabağ (talk) 13:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I hope we can find it. Thank you. BurakD53 (talk) 00:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)