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mint chocolate chip

Obvious NISoP. Not only an ice-cream, as defined, but anything with these ingredients. Google Books shows evidence for e.g. "Mint Chocolate Chip Cookie Bars" and "Mint Chocolate Chip Cake". Equinox ◑ 17:05, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• Speedy close as keep/This RfD is a waste of community time: The definition is about ice cream only, not about those things you mention. The ice cream is the only one of those things you mention that is commonly referred to as just "mint chocolate chip". The other things are not commonly referred to as mint chocolate chip, they are referred to as "Mint Chocolate Chip Cookie Bars" and "Mint Chocolate Chip Cake". And it's not obvious, unless you assume that chocolate and chip have to go together (which they don't; the ice cream is also commonly referred to as Mint 'n Chip)...if you don't assume that chocolate goes with chip, what kind of chips are you talking about? Potato chips? Paint chips? Furthermore, keep because SOP is broken Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 17:20, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes Purplebackpack89, that's because YOU wrote the definition. Anyway, delete, definition is wrong anyway, apparently deliberately in order to avoid an RFD. Which also makes me want to delete it for no usable content. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Nope. Definition is correct as written. Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 17:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

@Purplebackpack89 it's a bit like writing a definition of green to apply only to grass to avoid it being nominated for deletion. Quite why you expected that to work, only you'd know. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

No, it isn't. It's more like the definition greenery to refer to grass and plants, rather than all things green. I still haven't seen an answer to the point about "what if they don't make the connection that chocolate and chip are supposed to be together?" BTW, why do you continue to assume bad faith with me? Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 17:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• Weak keep. It feels like a set phrase to me, but I can't quite articulate why. —Ruakh_TALK 17:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• Weak delete - definitely seems like sum of parts to me. But, if we keep it, can we have (deprecated template usage) rum and raisin as well (a superior flavour). SemperBlotto 17:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Isn't there also cookies and cream? Mglovesfun (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, we have blue moon (Def 5) and rocky road, so I guess so....seems like SOP RfDs devolve into slippery slopes Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 18:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

    • @Purplebackpack89, the thing is blue moon isn't actually flavored by a blue moon, whereas rum and raisin icecream is flavored with rum and raisin. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

    • Well, but mint chocolate chip ice cream isn't flavored with mint chocolate chips. ;-)   —Ruakh_TALK 20:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

      A bacon cheeseburger isn't a cheeseburger made of bacon. It's one with bacon. So what? Words are sometimes used together! Are you serious? Equinox ◑ 23:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

    • I was just mentioning ice cream flavors we had... Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 23:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm starting to think this project is doomed. The democracy has reached its limit. We need a body of, say 20 people, who are elected e.g. annually and who have the power to draw the line, in line with all the institutions maintaining a paper dictionary. --Hekaheka 19:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• Could more Usonian editors put in their 2¢? So far all the "delete" votes are from Britons; we should at least consider the possibility that the phrase has a different status in one English from the other. —Ruakh_TALK 19:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• This is a set phrase, but not only used in ice cream, the bars are mint chocolate chip - flavored and mint chocolate chip cereal bars is not their flavor. So that argument is invalid. I say weak keep though because I did learn that the mind meant specifically pepper and spear mint as opposed to the many other varieties. But otherwise this is clearly ice cream or a flavor that is of chocolate and spear and pepper mints. rum and raisin although I agree is superior in flavor seems to be just flavored with rum and raisins no?Lucifer 23:40, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• No, because our usage notes say "In the USA, raisin refers to any kind of dried grape. In the UK, Australia and New Zealand, raisin is reserved for the dried large dark grape, with sultana meaning the dried large white grape, and currant meaning the dried small Black Corinth grape." The rum-and-raisin ice-cream does not contain sultanas. So by your logic that also merits an entry, right? Equinox ◑ 23:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Well since you made the case for it, if you can cite that then yes, otherwise a grape is a fuckin grape bro.Lucifer 08:26, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

• • • Sure, why not? Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 23:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

With the logic of including this, there should be an ice-cream sense also for:

• banana nut fudge
• black walnut
• burgundy cherry
• butterscotch ribbon
• cherry macaroon
• chocolate
• chocolate almond
• chocolate chip
• chocolate fudge
• chocolate mint
• chocolate ribbon
• coffee
• cotton candy
• date nut
• egg nog
• French vanilla
• fudge ribbon
• green mint stick
• lemon crisp
• lemon custard
• lemon sherbet
• maple nut
• orange sherbet
• peach
• peppermint stick
• pineapple sherbet
• raspberry sherbet
• rocky road
• strawberry
• vanilla
• vanilla burnt almond
• honey nut crunch
• mint chip

These are only the Baskin-Robbins' flavors. Rocky road is the only one that needs an explanation and that we have. --Hekaheka 04:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Based on the foregoing list, I have added a culinary sense to ribbon. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:56, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Delete. (Leftpondian.) Seems obviously mint + chocolate chip. Also, it applies not only to ice cream but also to yogurt, cookies, froyo, cake, etc. No different from jalapeño cheese or lemon lime, both of which are flavors of various foods, and both of which we lack (and should). The only saving grace of mint chocolate chip is that one can misinterpret it as {mint chocolate} chip i.e., as describing an ice cream (or whatever) containing chips that are made of (or that taste of) both chocolate and mint.​—msh210℠ (talk) 05:39, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Delete. My usonian opinion is that I don't see how "mint chocolate chip" is different from "mint" plus "chocolate chip." If it is different I'd think the explanations fit better on Wikipedia anyway. Perhaps it is a term in the ice cream world, but I such a broad level of scope was decided against in Wiktionary:Beer_parlour#A_proposition:_All_words_in_all_dictionaries. Although I've never heard of an ice cream dictionary. And good luck getting me to provided Japanese definitions for every kind of ice cream. By the way uso is Japanese for "lie", so "usonian" sounds like liar, lol Haplology 06:33, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Not very useful for definitions either, popularly available ice cream flavors vary wildly from country to country aside from chocolate.Lucifer 15:43, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

• Weak keep: I don’t know why but mint chocolate chip is almost always that green ice cream, not a flavor of other foods, and it is much commoner than plain mint ice cream. It is definitely a part of our vocabulary. My keep vote is weak because it is encyclopedic, not because I think it is a sum of parts. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 16:53, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

  I did find one reference to the color: 2006, Krista West, Critical Perspectives on Environmental Protection, p. 164:

  Instead the nocturnal search reveals the red irises of P. tarsius, the penultimate green tree frog; Plica plica, a mint-chocolate-chip-colored lizard; the two enormous, poisonous toads, Bufo marinus...

  However, I am unable to find additional uses such that this usage meets the CFI; the term as applied to a flavor or composition of ice cream is clearly SOP - mint, chocolate chip. Delete. bd2412 T 18:26, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

  If your girlfriend says she wants to eat mint chocolate chip now, you really should go and buy a cup of mint chocolate chip ice cream, not a mint chocolate chip cereal bar . It is undeniable that this flavor is primarily associated to ice cream. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 19:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

  Really? Well, no offense intended, but you're an en-3. I would not assume that at all: I'd ask her "mint chocolate chip what?".​—msh210℠ (talk) 20:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

  I've been reading at a college level for nine years, and I have to agree with him. If someone says "mint chocolate chip" without a product, it's almost certain that they're referring to mint chocolate chip ice cream. The other products are spinoffs of the ice cream, really, not products of their own Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 21:13, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

  If my "girlfriend" (to whom I have now been married for nine years) said she wanted a "double pepperoni with extra cheese" I would know she meant pizza; that doesn't mean we should have an entry for double pepperoni with extra cheese. bd2412 T 17:01, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

  I don’t quite understand your argument. Double pepperoni and extra cheese is clearly a sum of parts, and it is not established as a single flavor in our food culture. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 00:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

  I thought the argument being made to keep this term was that it represented a specific type of food, not a specific flavor. Will you therefore concede that it is not enough for an otherwise SOP term to evoke a specific type of food? bd2412 T 02:04, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

• I'm leaning towards keep, the phrase seems to primarily refer to ice cream. I think TAKASUGI Shinji is correct that people will assume "mint chocolate chip" refers to the ice cream flavor. (w:Mint Chocolate Chip indicates that the use of "mint chocolate chip" in non-ice cream products is a result of the popularity of the ice cream flavor.) Looks like a set phrase to me. --Yair rand 23:46, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
• To me "mint chocolate chip", absent contrary context, definitely means the ice cream. (Incidentally, I came across a b.g.c. hit where it was a flavor of self-destructing paper used by fictional spies. Hard to know what to make of that: it's hard to imagine that it's supposed to include chocolate chips, rather than simply tasting like more sensibly mint-chocolate-chip-flavored foods.) —Ruakh_TALK 00:14, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
  • French translation added. Lmaltier 07:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
    • Hesitant, as it might not always be obvious that it's flavored with mint and chocolate chips, rather than mint chocolate chips. Feels like such a weak reason, though. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:08, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I think people just like ice cream too much and are ignoring the fact that there is no difference between mint chocolate chip, and with mint & chocolate chip as ingredients/flavorLucifer 07:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

kept, no consensus -- Liliana • 13:36, 21 December 2011 (UTC)