Talk:kipper

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kipper

Rfv-sense - member of UKIP. Protologism? So far, we have a citation for only 2013. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:04, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

There are 3 citations now, but all from 2013. If it fails, please can the closing user move them to the citations page? Equinox ◑ 11:58, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I have "Ukipper" from 2011 in what a luridly grim lot the Ukippers are. SpinningSpark 16:39, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

An online search of British newspapers through w:InfoTrac returned only results from 2013 so I am inclined to agree that it is a neologism. SpinningSpark 17:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Failed. Citations moved to Citations:kipper. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 21:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Estonian declension

The nominative singular form of "kipper" has 2 "p"s, but every other form has only 1. I've no idea how to reflect this in the table. I've left it with 1 "p" for all forms, including nominative singular. I don't know how to change individual parts of the table.

- I've fixed this. Strombones (talk) 16:35, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

RFV discussion: December 2021–January 2022

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kipper

rfv-senses: adjectives Notusbutthem (talk) 08:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Seems to be an alt form of chipper; see OED. There is an occurrence in Walton, but since he is discussing salmon, which can be kippered into Etymology 1 kipper, I am reluctant to include it under the adjective. Was Walton known for double-meaning wordplay or something? This, that and the other (talk) 06:57, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

The Walton usage seems to be a different sense. [Here] it seems to mean the opposite: "then those so left behind by degrees grow sick and lean and unseasonable and kipper that is to say have bony gristles grow out of their lower chaps not unlike a Hawk's beak which hinder their feeding and in time such fish so left behind pine away and die". We have a noun sense for a male salmon after spawning. I wonder if it came from this adjective sense. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

I can’t find much to support the adjective meanings in the entry but I’ve been doing my own investigation of the word kipper ever since I created the entry stitched up like a kipper and I’ve just added some meanings (which I can’t properly attest) to the citations page. Also mentioned in dictionaries are ‘kipper’ meaning a Native American youth who has completed an initiation rite’ and ‘an adult who can not afford to move away from his or her parents’ home’ [k(ids) i(n) p(arents’) p(ockets) e(roding) r(etirement) s(avings)] and it appears as a verb in my 2005 edition of Collins meaning ‘utterly defeated or outwitted’ but oddly enough is missing from Collins Online. It would be good to find sufficient attestation to add some of these to the main page of our kipper entry. Overlordnat1 (talk) 23:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Of the challenged definitions, I could only manage to cite one of them. I did manage to add quite a few other meanings, including some of those started by @Overlordnat1. Kiwima (talk) 11:34, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, very impressive work! Overlordnat1 (talk) 15:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

RFV-resolved Kiwima (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)