Talk:Nobles County
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And every other US county page I have created, well over 1000 of them.
This is the last one I created. I don't really want to delete this, but I want to protest at the way User:Koavf summarily deleted Category:en:United States county index without any warning, and without going through the normal RFD procedure. Further discussion can be found here and here]
Before anyone questions my sanity: Yes, I am of sound mind; no, I don't need to see a psychiatrist; and no, I haven't entered my second childhood yet. DonnanZ (talk) 12:18, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Since there is no rationale for deletion, let alone a valid one. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:19, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- Oh there's a rationale all right. The RFD can be withdrawn if sanity returns. DonnanZ (talk) 19:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- Move to the name without the word "County" (which makes each of these entries SOP). We should include Nobles County and all the other ones at Wiktionary, but we should list them at Nobles and the like, not Nobles County. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 19:21, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- That was discussed before, see Talk:McClain County, and it was decided to keep the present format. In any case, in many cases I don't recommend that, if the county index still existed you would be able to study it and see why. DonnanZ (talk) 20:37, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- That particular issue was barely discussed there. Most people there were simply voting on whether to keep or delete McClain County; the option of keeping it under the nmae McClain was considered by only a minority of the participants in the discussion. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 21:10, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- I tend to think this should be moved to Nobles per Mahagaja, like e.g. Talk:Hyderabad State / Hyderabad Division (where however only Metaknowledge and I expressed opinions). Do we have a way of determining how often county names are used without "county"? - -sche (discuss) 21:46, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- That particular issue was barely discussed there. Most people there were simply voting on whether to keep or delete McClain County; the option of keeping it under the nmae McClain was considered by only a minority of the participants in the discussion. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 21:10, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- That was discussed before, see Talk:McClain County, and it was decided to keep the present format. In any case, in many cases I don't recommend that, if the county index still existed you would be able to study it and see why. DonnanZ (talk) 20:37, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- I think the nom was mostly done because of the controversy with Category:en:United States county index. But I need to address something else here:
- I don't know that Nobles County is necessarily a set proper noun phrase. For instance, see this: "The city of Landsville is located inside both Lincoln and Nobles Counties." (I made up those names off the top of my head.) You'll find this "Counties" thing on a lot of Wikipedia pages, for instance. It could also be written as "Lincoln and Nobles counties". What do you think of this, lexically speaking? PseudoSkull (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- There are cases too where county and county seat share the same name, so I think it would be disadvantageous to remove County, e.g. he lives in Bloggsville County, not in Bloggsville. Also look at Switzerland County for example. DonnanZ (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep because you don't use RFD to complain about another user's behaviour. Use WT:BP or something. Equinox ◑ 02:36, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- There already is a BP discussion if you want to contribute to it. DonnanZ (talk) 10:24, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep all. County names are set phrases. Having this at "Nobles" would be like having fire engine at fire. bd2412 T 22:34, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep It's a proper noun. "I live in Nobles" has a different meaning than "I live in Nobles County". – Julia ☺ • formerly Gormflaith • 22:49, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep--county names are protected under primary administrative divisions in WT:CFI. Also, in response to the "Lincoln and Nobles counties" point, it seems to me that that's just a standard instance of ellipsis, which doesn't compromise the proper noun-ness of the phrase. The construct "Mr. & Mrs. Jones" doesn't make the "Mr." any less of a "Jones", in other words. --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 13:50, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
RFD nomination withdrawn. I have created a substitute county index on my user page, and all users are welcome to pop in and browse. I still need to add Alaskan boroughs (those that are done). DonnanZ (talk) 20:46, 10 June 2018 (UTC)