Talk:Jewish nose

RFD discussion: May 2021–September 2022

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Jewish nose

Jew nose

Jewish Bolshevism

SOP, these are just stereotypes where the heads are commonly misattributed to Jews by anti-Semites. Compare Talk:greedy as a Jew, Talk:nigger cock for similar analyses of stereotypes. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:17, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Is Roman nose different? Equinox ◑ 18:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know. Is it called that because it was a Roman beauty ideal or because it was considered typical for Romans? ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Each one had a different creator. How can you tell who's an anti-Semite? I have a roamin' nose myself - it was broken many years ago. DonnanZ (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't see much merit to randomly speculating about the biases or ideologies of editors; I really see no basis to allege anything in these cases. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree. But as a stereotype, I think it is comparatively mild compared to some other racial slurs, of which there are many: Yank, Frog, Eyetie, Chink, Jap, nigger, wog, Russki, Polack, Paki. Therefore I don't think there is much reason for deletion for Jewish nose. DonnanZ (talk) 19:00, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Keep Jewish nose and Jew nose.--Tibidibi (talk) 22:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Delete all per nom. Imetsia (talk) 20:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Keep Jew nose as syntactically irregular in addition. Delete Jewish nose. Unless we want to start cataloging strings of stereotypes (there is certainly utility in that, but not for the majority), these cultural knowledge tests have a limit. DAVilla 21:26, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not convinced "Jew nose" has to be syntactically irregular; just read "Jew" as a noun. It's a granny annexe, not "a granny's annexe". Equinox ◑ 21:30, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@DAVilla, Equinox is right, there is nothing irregular about the syntax of Jew nose. It's just a straight-forward compound like garden tool and magnolia leaf. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Delete Jew nose as well. DAVilla 14:43, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep Jewish Bolshevism can be left in the Wiktionary. The Russian language knows the word жѝдобольшеви́зм (žìdobolʹševízm). At least you can add that this is a historical term. Now this word is perceived with laughter, and the prefix жидо- (žido-, “Jew”) is specially extended to nouns and personal names, even to verbs and pronouns, to discredit the right wing. Regarding the rest, unfortunately, I do not have a definition of "Jewishness", so I cannot evaluate the noses. Gnosandes (talk) 11:00, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

That might be the germ of a valid THUB argument, but I think that the THUB should then be placed at Jud(a)eo-Bolshevism because the hyphenless single-word variants seem to be citable (COALMINE). ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Delete Jewish Bolshevism; as LBD says, Judeobolshevism and forms thereof can house any translations. Regarding the noses, the two entries' definitions are inconsistent with each other and need to be cleaned up, but once that's done, looking at the specific shape the Wikipedia article is about, are people other than Jews often said to have "Jewish noses" or "Jew noses" if they have that specific shape of nose? One of the issues with nigger cock is that the examples were just referring to the cocks of black men or people the same books described as having "black blood", etc, and of course greedy as a Jew is SOP, whereas the shape of nose seems less intelligible from "Jewish" + "nose", so if people other than Jews and Romans are often said to have Jewish noses vs Roman noses, it seems more idiomatic. - -sche (discuss) 21:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

In what world are these not idiomatic? Jew nose does not mean "nose of a Jew" and the word "Jew" can't even be used as a word to mean "someone who has stereotypical traits of a Jew, whether or not they actually are Jewish". Keep all and it concerns me that these would even be nominated at all. (And if nigger cock does in fact mean "large penis (of someone of any race)", then that is indeed idiomatic as well and deletion of that is another ridiculous RFD outcome.) PseudoSkull (talk) 20:03, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

In the real world. Anti-Semites have legion stereotypes about Jews, some of which will end in collocations that are opaque to people without borderline encyclopaedic knowledge, that does not mean they are all idiomatic. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 20:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo I have yet to see other very commonly used examples of these sorts of collocations in this discussion. Is there in fact a plethora of them? PseudoSkull (talk) 20:52, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep the entries for Jewish nose and Jew nose. These seem reasonably idiomatic, given that not everyone with a prominent and/or aquiline nose is Jewish, nor do all people of Jewish descent have noses that fit either description. The anti-Semitic connotations do not strike me as an argument against inclusion. Our mission, as a dictionary, is to document language, including its uglier manifestations. The negative connotations are currently indicated by the "offensive" and "ethnic slur" glosses. Although perhaps they could be explained in greater detail in a usage note. WordyAndNerdy (talk) 21:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Strong keep Jewish Bolshevism because it is a well-known and well-attested conspiracy theory. If attested, keep the others as well, per WordyAndNerdy. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 20:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Keep per WordyAndNerdy. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 22:13, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• RFD-kept: Jewish nose and Jew nose: keep: PseudoSkull, Tibidibi, WordyAndNerdy, dictátor·mundꟾ, Fytcha; Jewish Bolshevism: keep: PseudoSkull, Gnosandes, dictátor·mundꟾ, Fytcha. The deleters do not seem to achieve the count 8 (=2 * 4) upon a quick impression. Using the closer-overridable consensus threshold of 2/3 (not officially approved, but not forbidden either). --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:29, 3 September 2022 (UTC)