Talk:袖口

RFV discussion: January 2020–February 2021

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袖口

Rfv-sense "wristband". — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:15, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Atitarev, do you remember where you got this? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 17:39, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Wenlin Software, which I have, by default uses ABC English-Chinese/Chinese-English Dictionary. It has the following entry: "袖口 ¹xiùkǒu* n. cuff (of a sleeve); wrist band". --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:19, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Atitarev: It seems like "wristband" in this case is the same definition as "cuff", as seen as the first definition of wristband. I think it's safe to say that we can delete it or merge it with the "cuff" sense. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 00:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: It's hard to tell for me if the definition is just "wrist band" without a gloss qualifier. That's why native users' input is so important. Pls re-write as you see fit but it's worth writing so that somebody looking at the ABC dictionary entry does not add the wrong sense. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:17, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Atitarev: How are different senses shown in ABC E-C/C-E? If the editors are putting them into one sense, it's safe to say that it should be the same sense and not different senses just because of the English. I've also checked some English-Chinese dictionaries. The Oxford Chinese Dictionary defines "wristband" as

① (bracelet) 手镯 shǒuzhuó ; (for sport) 腕套 wàntào ; (for identity) 手牌 shǒupái ; (on watch) 表带 biǎodài
② (cuff) 袖口 xiùkǒu

The Dr. Eye Chinese English Bilingual Dictionary defines "wristband" as

1 袖口
2 (運動用) 腕套
3 手錶帶

Unless ABC E-C/C-E uses semicolons to separate senses, I'd say "wristband" and "cuff" are referring to the same thing. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 01:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: I've copied the full definition (with a semicolon) from ABC E-C/C-E in my first post above (at 23:19 UTC). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:50, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: I meant to ping you but accidentally pinged someone else in my edit summary. Pls check if this revision would work. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:55, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Atitarev: I meant to ask if the dictionary uses semicolons to separate different senses in general. If it uses some other way to separate different senses, then we can be sure that they are meaning to put them in the same sense. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:06, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Atitarev: And yes, that edit on the entry looks fine. RFV resolved. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: I see. They seem to use semicolons to separate different senses in general. Thanks. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Atitarev: Ah, that's not helpful, but I guess the other two dictionaries above (as well as monolingual dictionaries) are good enough evidence to make us believe that "cuff" and "wristband" are the same in this case. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:35, 3 February 2021 (UTC)