Talk:孫臏

RFD discussion: June 2021–May 2022

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孫臏

Surname + given name. WT:NAMES. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 17:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

This is a bit of a grey area I think. His actual given name hasn't survived into the modern era, but what we know is that 臏 is not his actual given name, but rather is referring to the fact that he had his kneecaps removed as a punishment, which permanently crippled him. The dog2 (talk) 17:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@The dog2: Even if it's not a true given name, it is still surname + nickname/epithet, which isn't much different. We also don't have things like Richard the Lionheart, where "the Lionheart" isn't a surname but an epithet. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 15:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

But we have 金三胖. EdwardAlexanderCrowley (talk) 00:49, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm leaning towards supporting deletion, but we do have e.g. Alexander the Great and John the Baptist, as well as Maha Kassapa and Mahapajapati Gotami. We also have Plenty Coups, which I think seems to violate the rule by being his name, defined as him, a specific individual, and which I'll RFD... - -sche (discuss) 21:22, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Arguably 孫臏 is more comparable to Jesus Christ, name + "past passive participle" from χριστός (khristós) modifying the name. --Frigoris (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• RFD kept (no consensus). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:25, 11 May 2022 (UTC)