Talk:سبر

The Etymology

@Fay Freak: The Aramaic entry, סְבַר, lists the Arabic as being "from an Aramaic borrowing". I know little about Aramaic so I cannot verify this claim. The Aramaic glosses there do not resemble the Arabic meanings, but the ones for the Hebrew noun do, strangely. Perhaps you could check the Aramaic entry over? Roger.M.Williams (talk) 12:05, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, if the Arabic is from Aramaic, the etymology section here would have to be rewritten to explain why the Arabic would have the meanings it has... Roger.M.Williams (talk) 12:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Roger.M.Williams: So it turns out I was the smart guy who added it to the Aramaic page. I don’t remember what I had on my mind but one may assume it the consideration of a very narrow meaning in comparison to the Aramaic and the Fraenkel locus now cited here, on top of سَبُّورَة (sabbūra) not looking very genuine either; in addition I now see that team Corriente, in their sketchy etymological dictionary that I discovered like a month afterwards, also recognizes the Aramaic borrowing. سِبْرِيت (sibrīt) and سُبْرُوت (subrūt, “poor (such that one has to probe for riches?)”) are also very telling in their ending, but I don’t believe the basic meaning was “to bore” as Fraenkel claims, but more abstractly about reasoning something out of something: for the meaning development compare قِيَافَة (qiyāfa). By the dictionaries سَبْر (sabr), سَبْر (sabr) had a less restricted meaning than “mien” (at least I avoid glossing with but one translation), but you see a very technical term: exceeding technicality is one shade of the narrowness of meaning that may give off borrowing, so in the end we have a round picture though we cannot know the exact successions in which all meaning shades developed in Arabic, Aramaic and Hebrew. Fay Freak (talk) 15:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)