Talk:ծիր
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Latest comment: 4 years ago by Vahagn Petrosyan
@Vahagn Petrosyan, Yo, back at it again. There is a word in Georgian წირი which means 'line' (or spirit also apparently but anyway) Either it's borrowed from Armenian ծիր or the borrowing is the other way around. By reference, I'm more prone to think that it's borrowed from Armenian, but 'circle, circumference' to 'line' is not an obvious shift, while 'line' to 'circle, circumference' makes sense. What are your thoughts on this? -Solarkoid (talk) 15:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Solarkoid: since the probably related წერა (c̣era) is of native origin, the Armenian is borrowed from Kartvelian. --Vahag (talk) 05:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan: I'll still need to find if it was used as a 'line' in Old Georgian, cause it could be a coincidence, that it has c'r cluster. Thank you for considering the Kartvelian borrowing though. -Solarkoid (talk) 05:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think it is a coincidence. There is also Middle Armenian ծր-ել (cr-el, “to write”), dialectal ծր-ել (cr-el, “to draw a furrow”), dialectal ծիր (cir, “furrow”). All these can be explained from the Kartvelian root "to scratch". --Vahag (talk) 07:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Wow thats interesting. Makes me kinda wanna study Armenian lol. Alphabet is hard too. Well explanation makes sense. Thank you for your feedback on things btw. :D -Solarkoid (talk) 08:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Your letters are more difficult. Half of them look the same to me. --Vahag (talk) 13:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Wow thats interesting. Makes me kinda wanna study Armenian lol. Alphabet is hard too. Well explanation makes sense. Thank you for your feedback on things btw. :D -Solarkoid (talk) 08:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think it is a coincidence. There is also Middle Armenian ծր-ել (cr-el, “to write”), dialectal ծր-ել (cr-el, “to draw a furrow”), dialectal ծիր (cir, “furrow”). All these can be explained from the Kartvelian root "to scratch". --Vahag (talk) 07:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan: I'll still need to find if it was used as a 'line' in Old Georgian, cause it could be a coincidence, that it has c'r cluster. Thank you for considering the Kartvelian borrowing though. -Solarkoid (talk) 05:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)