Talk:գիժ

@Vahagn Petrosyan: In Kurdish gēž. Is ž < ǰ a common development in M. Armenian?--Calak (talk) 13:02, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

@Calak: I know about Northern Kurdish gêj. As far as I know, ž < ǰ is not a common development in Armenian. I was wondering why all the descendants of the Persian word hava a ž. --Vahag (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't think be a Persian loanword (this is wrong, Kurdish doesn't develop ǰ to ž, there is no evidence). This is my theory: gēž and gēǰ are NWIr. forms and *gēz SWIr form (NWIr. ž/ǰ against SWIr. z). So Persian form is a NWIr. loanword and Armenian one is a NWIr. loanword (maybe form Parthian via Old Armenian).--Calak (talk) 15:49, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

@Calak: I think your theory is repeated in Asatrian 2011, page 160. Can you translate what he says? I don't speak Persian. --Vahag (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

No, it is not from Asatrian.

page 160 translation: Armenian gīž < (gēž), Kurdish and Rudani gīž, from Middle Iranian *gēj/ž [this reconstruction should be NW form, because abyane is a NWIr. language].

--Calak (talk) 17:40, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't mean you took it from Asatrian. I think you are right that Persian is not the ancestor of all these forms, so I changed the entries to a more neutral language. Feel free to add details if you feel confident. --Vahag (talk) 20:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

My theory is right. I found Baxtiari gēz "mad", which is genuine SW from (Page 95).--Calak (talk) 19:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Cool. Added. It also matches better the meaning of the Iranian borrowings. --Vahag (talk) 11:18, 12 April 2019 (UTC)