Talk:человек

Meaning (first entry)

The first meaning is given as person, man. Can I conclude from this that человек means both “human being” and “male person” (as man has both meanings)? Could we clarify that?--89.204.154.32 17:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It means “human being in general”, not “male person”. “Male person” is мужчина (mužčina). --Vahag (talk) 18:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Do you think it would make sense to change (or add a note to) the definition? Maybe others also find it misleading.--89.204.154.32 18:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you changed already …--89.204.154.32 18:28, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Plural forms like челове́ки

@Atitarev, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89 Do these actually exist? It says gen pl челове́к is used with certain numbers but otherwise the forms of лю́ди are used. Benwing2 (talk) 12:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but they are rare poetic forms. --WikiTiki89 15:29, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

@Atitarev, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89 What about the acc pl form челове́ков vs. the genitive pl. челове́к (according to the manual decl table)? Is the acc pl a mistake? Benwing2 (talk) 15:46, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes челове́ков does exist. It's hard to tell just by searching whether челове́к can also be the gen.pl. of that declension. --WikiTiki89 15:57, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

@Benwing2 The forms челове́ки and челове́ков are sometimes used but are extremely limited - they are jocular, sarcastic, ironic or something, at least in modern Russian. The other plural forms with "человек" are used with cardinal numerals and question word сколько. They are declined. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:21, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

@Atitarev, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89, Wanjuscha, KoreanQuoter Anatoli .... your usage note says gen pl человек is used only with numbers ending in -ь, but this appears wrong. Google searches show clearly that "сорок человек" is normal whereas "сорок людей" is much less common (and many examples of it are Ukrainian). "тысяча человек" has more Google hits than "тысяча людей" but both occur. What's the actual situation? Specifically what happens with numbers 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 1000, 1000000 + the appropriate form of человек, in both nominative and prepositional cases (since in the latter case 40-90 would trigger the prepositional plural of человек)? Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 05:10, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. Fixed, I think. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 08:23, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Self-link with asterisk in headword line

@Benwing: Seems to be broken. --WikiTiki89 10:09, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Yup, I wrote to CodeCat about this last week. We're not quite sure what's going on here. I need to do some more debugging of Module:headword and Module:links. Benwing2 (talk) 14:27, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Fixed (diff). --WikiTiki89 14:53, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

"чек" pronunciation

Seems to be widespread, though I cannot find a reference. Vziel (talk) 06:50, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Vziel: чек (ček) has its own entry, which matches the pronunciation. The nominative sg is rather widespread. I don't think the other forms are. Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I see, I guess I forgot to look for it on the English section. Vziel (talk) 07:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)