Talk:случайное число

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случайное число

As above. --WikiTiki89 13:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Keep (no surprise). Ƿidsiþ 13:59, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Note that Russian dictionaries do not have this term. Based on these results, only the Russian Oxford Dictionary of Psychology and the Russian Wikipedia have it. --WikiTiki89 14:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• Keep as a translation of the English term, for which there will almost certainly be no consensus to delete. bd2412 T 14:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  • This phrase can be linked as {{t|ru|[[случайное]] [[число]]}} if the entry is deleted. Also, I dislike this "I am sure it will be my way" attitude. For the record, delete. — Keφr 15:09, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • I'm just stating the facts. Most of the editors who usually participate in these discussions have weighed in, and there is nothing remotely resembling a consensus for deletion. Nevertheless, I don't see why we would consider deleting a translation of term before the discussion on the term itself has concluded. bd2412 T 15:49, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
• Delete. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 15:06, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
• For which definitions is it a translation? All, some, only &lit? DCDuring TALK 17:31, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

  All I think, although I have not systematically gone through every definition of "random" just to make sure that it works. --WikiTiki89 17:39, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• I don't know enough Russian to know whether this is SOP. I still maintain to delete random number, but have no idea about this term. I'm surprised to see so many opiners here, actually.​—msh210℠ (talk) 19:14, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Isn't it assumed that if an English word fails, all translations automatically fail as well? -- Liliana • 20:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

No. If we decided in any event were SOP — I'm not saying we should — that would not mean בין כך (literally "between thus") would be SOP also. But perhaps you mean "all translations that are also word-for-word translations automatically fail". Still no (though this time I can't think of a good example off the top of my head): that a phrase is SOP in one language doesn't imply its counterpart is SOP is another.​—msh210℠ (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Keep. If someone is misled by "Russian dictionaries do not have this term", ABBYY Lingvo also has it. Here's a mirror случайное число@Yandex (specifically Русско-английский индекс к Англо-русскому словарю по вычислительной технике и программированию) --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 20:59, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, what I meant was Russian-Russian dictionaries. --WikiTiki89 02:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

It's OK. Russian-FL are also dictionaries. The term is heavily used my mathematicians, IT specialists, not just statisticians. псевдослуча́йное число́ (psevdoslučájnoje čisló, “pseudorandom number”) also merits an entry, so does pseudorandom number, which is not that intuititive. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:24, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

How is it not intuitive? pseudorandom + number, псевдослучайное + число --WikiTiki89 10:50, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• RFD kept as no consensus for deletion. Pro keeping: Ƿidsiþ, bd2412, Anatoli T.; pro deletion: WikiTiki89, Keφr, Ungoliant. See also #random number (later at Talk:random number), which ended up as no consensus for deletion with more than 11 participants. --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:41, 10 August 2014 (UTC)