Reconstruction talk:Proto-West Germanic/siniskalk

Etymology

This word has a cognate in German (MHG sëneschalt) and Gothic (siniskalks). It may be descended from Proto-Germanic *siniskalkaz. Leasnam (talk) 18:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Is the Gothic word actually attested? —CodeCat 18:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmm.... Leasnam (talk) 18:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Apparently, only as much as the Frankish word is lol :p Leasnam (talk) 18:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

It's thought to be a calque of Late Latin senior scholaris so it's hard to say which Germanic language it entered first. --Victar (talk) 19:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

According to siniscalcus#Descendants, Middle High German sëneschalt is itself a loanword from French, so it seems that all the attested words, even in Germanic languages, come from Latin, so rather than moving this entry to Proto-West Germanic or Proto-Germanic, I'm going to just delete it and derive the Latin from the separate Proto-Germanic words *siniz and *skalkaz. —Mahāgaja · talk 17:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

@Mahagaja: Instead of deleting it, please send it and other such other cases to WT:RFDN. I hold that this entry should still exist because it's not like it was constructed in Latin. If you think this should be deleted, I have some Gothic entries to show you. --{{victar|talk}} 06:54, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Oy, I don't have the energy for another RFD in addition to the ones I've got running. I'll just undelete and move it PWG. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:16, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

German

@Leasnam, the MHG and German are thought to be bollowered from Old French. --{{victar|talk}} 06:22, 18 March 2020 (UTC)