Reconstruction talk:Proto-Ryukyuan/etu

initial *e-

@Kwékwlos What's reason for reconstructing initial *e-? Chuterix (talk) 02:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

(Notifying Eirikr, TAKASUGI Shinji, Atitarev, Fish bowl, Poketalker, Cnilep, Marlin Setia1, Huhu9001, 荒巻モロゾフ, 片割れ靴下, Onionbar, Shen233, Alves9, Cpt.Guapo, Sartma, Lugria, LittleWhole, Kwékwlos, Mellohi!): If you ask me why I moved to *Etu, it's because @Kwékwlos did not answer me since at least 6 days. Chuterix (talk) 18:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Your comment makes no sense.

Why would Kwékwlos's lack of answer mean that you need to move a page?

If you are uncertain about a reconstruction, wait! I appreciate your passion, but your impatience and rashness are disruptive. For instance, what is "E" meant to signify? This is not explained.

Please slow down. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 23:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

For instance, what is "E" meant to signify? This is not explained.

See WT:AJPX.

I can wait for at least 13 years and he will still not respond.

@Eirikr. Chuterix (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Re: Kwékwlos's lack of response, perhaps you should rethink your approach.

Re: use of "E", this entry is for Proto-Ryukyuan, not Proto-Japonic. The Wiktionary:About Proto-Japonic page is not the correct place to document conventions for Proto-Ryukyuan. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 23:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

But I also moved the PJ page, so it should apply, right? Chuterix (talk) 23:35, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Miyako equivalent of this word has /i/ in the initial, not /ɿ/, that means protoform of this has *e. See the entry いつ [itsɿ] in 南琉球宮古語多良間方言辞典.--荒巻モロゾフ (talk) 00:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Chuterix (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@荒巻モロゾフ Chuterix (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Now that I have better knowledge of Japonic and the phonology, this is not a conclusive answer.

In Miyako languages, absolute-initial *i only becomes ɿ or another syllable under the following conditions:

*i > ɿ /#_[ɾ ~ j]

> N /#_[n ~ m]

*e > i /#_[ɾ ~ j ~ n ~ m]

but

• i ~ *e > i /#_[any other consonant]

Thus, it's not really a conclusive explanation. Chuterix (talk) 16:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Your notation here is incomprehensible:

*i > ɿ /#_[ɾ ~ j]
N /#_[n ~ m]
*e > i /#_[ɾ ~ j ~ n ~ m]

This looks like malformed Perl coding. What are you trying to convey? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 21:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Eirikr: See Sound change#Formal notation. In this case, pR *i turns to the special fricative vowel <ɿ> before ɾ ~ j, N (moraic nasal) before n or m, but if pR *e, it stays [i]. Chuterix (talk) 21:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining that. The /#_ notation is not clear at all, FWIW. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 21:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)