Reconstruction talk:Proto-Germanic/waraz
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Even if not visible in the article concerning the word waraz, there is still a German descendant in use today. I as German native speaker know the compound word ge+wahr "gewahr", as in "einer Sache gewahr sein", "to be aware of something". "Gewahr" with the infinitive form of the german verb for "to be" is used in the order (article in genitive) + noun (in genitive) + gewahr + sein. In conjugated form however, order can change: "Bist du dir dessen gewahr?" = "Are you aware of this?". Order in sentences with gewahr can depend on the context, in answers it can also be at the beginning of a sentence: "Weißt du das? - Gewahr bin ich mir dessen nicht" = "Do you know that? - I am not aware of/sure about this". — This unsigned comment was added by 2003:c1:c714:e700:51fc:3770:ea56:ee50 (talk) at 03:13, 20 October 2020 (UTC).
- @Lambiam, -sche: Anything to say about this? I see that we appear to reference that word at Gewahrsam, and we also have the verb gewahren, but we do not have any entry for gewahr. Tharthan (talk) 00:56, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, gewahr is a word, though now archaic or literary outside certain phrases and compounds. From MHG gewar, OHG giwar (attested since the 9th century, with ungiwar since the 8th). DWDS provides a list of cognates, including Old English gewær (English aware), Old Saxon giwar, MLG gewar, Gothic wars and Norse varr, though only the last two derive from the exact PGmc term linked above; the others (including gewahr) seem to derive from *gawaraz (linked-to on the page above).
Btw, this prompts me to notice that our entry on Gewahrsam is incomplete with regard to the gender of the word (de.Wikt correctly has it as both masculine and neuter now, and DWDS notes it was historically also feminine). - -sche (discuss) 03:09, 1 November 2020 (UTC)- ...but *gawaraz, despite being linked-to on the page above, seems to only exist in WGmc, as Reconstruction:Proto-West Germanic/gawar, where all these words are already listed. Sorted? - -sche (discuss) 17:13, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, gewahr is a word, though now archaic or literary outside certain phrases and compounds. From MHG gewar, OHG giwar (attested since the 9th century, with ungiwar since the 8th). DWDS provides a list of cognates, including Old English gewær (English aware), Old Saxon giwar, MLG gewar, Gothic wars and Norse varr, though only the last two derive from the exact PGmc term linked above; the others (including gewahr) seem to derive from *gawaraz (linked-to on the page above).